[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[chickens]

It may seem odd that Trump got in but was it just because opposition was not strong enough. A bit like Boris defeating Corbyn

No, America genuinely wants what Trump’s selling. The consensus in the US is currently that it was a mistake to allow manufacturing expertise to dwindle and to outsource decently paying jobs to other countries. Trump wants those jobs and tax receipts (and that expertise) back.

He will implement tariffs to whatever degree is required to make “America made” competitive in the domestic market.

Immigration has been a political football for over a decade, and there’s no doubt that Trump’s lot have weaponised it, but again most of America doesn’t want people traffickers and cross-border drugs operations getting in and out unchallenged. Trump’s rhetoric on this has been vile in places, but the underlying idea of “control your borders” has widespread support across the political spectrum.

Trump’s message was “fix the borders and bring the jobs home, and we can have nice things again.”

Harris’s was largely “don’t elect a misogynistic bullshitter.”

Only one of those two offered a vision for the future. People decided they were willing to put up with some misogynistic bullshit in return for a potentially better future.

 

[Pavilionaire]

But the uk govt have a tough choice now. Brexit was supposed to enable better trade deals with the US. Under America first, that won't happen.so does Starmer abandon the slowly slowly catchy monkey plan to have closer ties with the EU and go quicker towards that?

If we were back in the EU we would have an economy at least 5% bigger, so enough extra tax receipts to continue arming Ukraine AND increase funding on our own military.

Indeed, the world has changed since the EU Referendum, we need to spend more on defence, we currently can't afford it and now can't rely on Trump. Not only might he withdraw military support from Ukraine but he could encourage Putin to try other territory such as Georgia.

I would argue that NOT to pursue a Customs Union at the very least is to jeopardise our national security and would be a dereliction of duty on the part of the government. We cannot carry on like this. In March there is due to be increased business to business regulation when sending parcels from GB mainland to Northern Ireland. It's f*cking insane.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Was it a federal or state crime?

If federal he could still pardon himself from jail as soon as in power.

fwiw he won't now go to jail.

The sentencing on 26th is a State crime in New York.

 

[AZ Gull]

Reading on twitter that despite all the bluster about abortion laws changing at a federal level , nothings actually gonna happen and also no new legislation. What were the Dems going on about, anyone know ?

The overturning of the Roe v Wade decision in 2022 did away with the federal right to abortion, meaning that each state now decides their own approach. This has meant that states with GOP control have either reverted to, or subsequently implemented, extremely restrictive policies. In Arizona, for instance, we were left with a near-total abortion ban dating from 1864 (until it was repealed in September this year).

There are whole areas of the country where it is now extremely difficult, if not impossible, for women to get abortions.

I doubt you would think it was "bluster" if you were a woman.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

No, America genuinely wants what Trump’s selling. The consensus in the US is currently that it was a mistake to allow manufacturing expertise to dwindle and to outsource decently paying jobs to other countries. Trump wants those jobs and tax receipts (and that expertise) back.

He will implement tariffs to whatever degree is required to make “America made” competitive in the domestic market.

Immigration has been a political football for over a decade, and there’s no doubt that Trump’s lot have weaponised it, but again most of America doesn’t want people traffickers and cross-border drugs operations getting in and out unchallenged. Trump’s rhetoric on this has been vile in places, but the underlying idea of “control your borders” has widespread support across the political spectrum.

Trump’s message was “fix the borders and bring the jobs home, and we can have nice things again.”

Harris’s was largely “don’t elect a misogynistic bullshitter.”

Only one of those two offered a vision for the future. People decided they were willing to put up with some misogynistic bullshit in return for a potentially better future.

‘Misogynistic bull shit’ my arse. He’s a convicted liable for sexual assault*

*edited

 

[AZ Gull]

I am in regular contact with my Aunt in Michigan who loves to write long, detailed and beautifully written emails (she’s a journalist) updating news on all the family in Michigan and NYC. Many people probably already know but she (and all my family in the States) have been very active in the Democratic campaign for months.

I emailed her in the early hours to commiserate.

This was her response:

Says it all really.

Hopefully the Democratic Party have already begun their inquest into why their candidate performed significantly worse than Biden did four years ago - and are wiling to learn lessons.

 

[dwayne]

The overturning of the Roe v Wade decision in 2022 did away with the federal right to abortion, meaning that each state now decides their own approach. This has meant that states with GOP control have either reverted to, or subsequently implemented, extremely restrictive policies. In Arizona, for instance, we were left with a near-total abortion ban dating from 1864 (until it was repealed in September this year).

There are whole areas of the country where it is now extremely difficult, if not impossible, for women to get abortions.

I doubt you would think it was "bluster" if you were a woman.

My point is that there is no difference from yesterday to today or probably anything in the next 4 years.

 

[chickens]

‘Misogynistic bull shit’ my arse. He’s a…

Actually my understanding is that the plaintiff was awarded damages for libel/defamation, albeit for misrepresenting events of a sexual nature.

Given that the chap we’re discussing is about to become America’s next president, I’m not sure Bozza needs the grief. While I understand your POV, it may be worth editing your comment for the board’s sake.

 

[HillBarnTillIDie]

If the political leaders did what was asked of them by the people, by whom they were elected, then folks like DT wouldn’t get anywhere near the top.

Im putting money on Nigel Farage to be the next PM for that very reason.

 

[ROSM]

My point is that there is no difference from yesterday to today or probably anything in the next 4 years.

Roe v wade was overturned by the supreme court. A dem administration could have enshrined into federal law rather than make it a state by state issue. So you are correct there is going to be no difference and that is the problem.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The overturning of the Roe v Wade decision in 2022 did away with the federal right to abortion, meaning that each state now decides their own approach. This has meant that states with GOP control have either reverted to, or subsequently implemented, extremely restrictive policies. In Arizona, for instance, we were left with a near-total abortion ban dating from 1864 (until it was repealed in September this year).

There are whole areas of the country where it is now extremely difficult, if not impossible, for women to get abortions.

I doubt you would think it was "bluster" if you were a woman.

It is extremely difficult to get medical care following a miscarriage (1 in 3 pregnancies end in miscarriage) in case the woman has tried to self abort.
Ectopic pregnancies are left untreated causing death to mothers, and victims forced to carry a rapist’s offspring to birth.
Girls in Texas are being advised not to note their menstrual cycles on their phones, where data can be used against them.
Obviously, it differs from state to state.

 

[AZ Gull]

It is extremely difficult to get medical care following a miscarriage (1 in 3 pregnancies end in miscarriage) in case the woman has tried to self abort.
Ectopic pregnancies are left untreated causing death to mothers, and victims forced to carry a rapist’s offspring to birth.
Girls in Texas are being advised not to note their menstrual cycles on their phones, where data can be used against them.
Obviously, it differs from state to state.

The one good thing is that where states have had propositions on the ballot enshrining the right to abortion (or similar related topics), either previously or in this election, they have nearly always passed (even in red states).

 

[Cheshire Cat]

‘Misogynistic bull shit’ my arse. He’s a convicted rapist. …..

Trump may be many things, but I don't think that is one of them....

It's complicated.

Fact Check: Was Donald Trump found guilty of rape?

Trump critics claimed he was found guilty of rape after E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against him ended.

www.newsweek.com

E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Actually my understanding is that the plaintiff was awarded damages for libel/defamation, albeit for misrepresenting events of a sexual nature.

Given that the chap we’re discussing is about to become America’s next president, I’m not sure Bozza needs the grief. While I understand your POV, it may be worth editing your comment for the board’s sake.

You really are full of the brown stuff aren’t you. I doubt that the cock sucking yank will be trawling NSC for ‘ nasty’ comments .Back to the matter in hand, he was found guilty of the lesser ‘crime‘ of libel of sexual assault in a civil court. Basically she said he did, he said he didn’t and called her a liar and the courts decided she wasn’t lying …

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Trump may be many things, but I don't think that is one of them....

It's complicated.

Fact Check: Was Donald Trump found guilty of rape?

Trump critics claimed he was found guilty of rape after E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against him ended.

www.newsweek.com

E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edited to reflect this.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No, America genuinely wants what Trump’s selling. The consensus in the US is currently that it was a mistake to allow manufacturing expertise to dwindle and to outsource decently paying jobs to other countries. Trump wants those jobs and tax receipts (and that expertise) back.

He will implement tariffs to whatever degree is required to make “America made” competitive in the domestic market.

Immigration has been a political football for over a decade, and there’s no doubt that Trump’s lot have weaponised it, but again most of America doesn’t want people traffickers and cross-border drugs operations getting in and out unchallenged. Trump’s rhetoric on this has been vile in places, but the underlying idea of “control your borders” has widespread support across the political spectrum.

Trump’s message was “fix the borders and bring the jobs home, and we can have nice things again.”

Harris’s was largely “don’t elect a misogynistic bullshitter.”

Only one of those two offered a vision for the future. People decided they were willing to put up with some misogynistic bullshit in return for a potentially better future.

Yep.

So he now has the vote, the popular vote, congress and the senate. Let him now deliver, unrestrained by the various forces of inertia that normally stymie a president.

I am going out on a limb here but I don't think a majority of US voters are stupid. They are unashamedly self-interested. They see their self interest being best met by Trump.

So he will have to deliver......

Interesting times.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Yep.

So he now has the vote, the popular vote, congress and the senate. Let him now deliver, unrestrained by the various forces of inertia that normally stymie a president.

I am going out on a limb here but I don't think a majority of US voters are stupid. They are unashamedly self-interested. They see their self interest being best met by Trump.

So he will have to deliver......

Interesting times.

The last time the USA went isolationist didn't end well.

 

[FatSuperman]

R

No, America genuinely wants what Trump’s selling. The consensus in the US is currently that it was a mistake to allow manufacturing expertise to dwindle and to outsource decently paying jobs to other countries. Trump wants those jobs and tax receipts (and that expertise) back.

He will implement tariffs to whatever degree is required to make “America made” competitive in the domestic market.

Immigration has been a political football for over a decade, and there’s no doubt that Trump’s lot have weaponised it, but again most of America doesn’t want people traffickers and cross-border drugs operations getting in and out unchallenged. Trump’s rhetoric on this has been vile in places, but the underlying idea of “control your borders” has widespread support across the political spectrum.

Trump’s message was “fix the borders and bring the jobs home, and we can have nice things again.”

Harris’s was largely “don’t elect a misogynistic bullshitter.”

Only one of those two offered a vision for the future. People decided they were willing to put up with some misogynistic bullshit in return for a potentially better future.

Is that genuinely what you think Americans want? Perhaps you think something else will happen, but making American-made goods more competitive by making imported goods more expensive is called protectionism and ends up with:

- retaliation of controls on import of US goods and service, affecting American export profits

- significantly increased costs to consumers

- reduced competition and quality

American-made already exists for almost everything, it’s just usually incredibly expensive by comparison, and/or junk.

When I lived there, I knew that anything with a sticker that said “Made in America with pride”, was a good indicator that thing would fall apart.

 

[chickens]

You really are full of the brown stuff aren’t you. I doubt that the cock sucking yank will be trawling NSC for ‘ nasty’ comments .Back to the matter in hand, he was found guilty of the lesser ‘crime‘ of libel of sexual assault in a civil court. Basically she said he did, he said he didn’t and called her a liar and the courts decided she wasn’t lying …

I’m not an apologist for the guy, and I agree it’s incredibly unlikely to come to his attention. I’ll leave it to the mods who are(n’t) paid to know what can stand and what can’t, but I’d advise being sure of your ground when describing someone as you had before editing, it is the kind of accusation that people will get upset about.

The thing is, everybody’s fully aware of his past, and they voted for him anyway.

Lots of sane American swing voters, fully aware of their candidate’s past and views, looked at the two options available and went for the one they thought would be better for them.

Self-interest > moral considerations in America. It’s the American way. And this is the country that owns us.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The last time the USA went isolationist didn't end well.

1776?