[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[Thunder Bolt]

I guess my answer to that would be "Well what was the other option?". I can't see how Harris was a plausible solution for those people. In fact she has basically looked down and sneered at them.

In what way do you think she sneered at them?

 

[Bozza]

Do a bit of research on this one. The above is true but also DAs have made it a lot easier for low level organised gangs to commit this kind of crime. And it's different to kiddies nicking sweets it's a lot more organised in California.

Organised gang-driven shoplifting is also very much a UK thing...

Government to ‘crack down on organised gangs’ and ‘scrap low-value shoplifting’

These decisions were announced today as Chancellor Rachel Reeves delivered Labour's first budget since 2010

www.conveniencestore.co.uk

 

[kevo]

If there's any shred of hope at all, it's that we all feared the worst when Trump won in 2016 and got through those four years. Although I agree it's different this time and much more worrying.

What I don't really understand is how Biden won in 2020 and the Dems have gone backwards, even with a younger more engaging candidate. No doubt to do with Musk and social media manipulation, but also probably inflation and the fact that people like voting for populists and against 'the establishment' when everything is in the sh*t - without realising they are actually voting FOR the establishment (see Brexit).

 

[Commander]

More than that, this feels like a long-term shift to me. Away from “global policeman” to isolationist “looking after our own.”

In terms of domestic politics, this can’t help but be good for America, it’s only suckers like the UK who truly bought into “global markets” and the idea of selling anything we had to anyone who had the money. Jobs will be created in the US, per capita prosperity will rise, Americans bought British businesses, but remarkably few British businesses bought American companies.

So what now for global Britain? We’ve sold everything of value, alienated our neighbours, and now the Americans have announced they’re not playing any more and they’re taking their ball home with them.

How do we start rebuilding almost every vital industry from scratch, because we’ve sold or run down what we had, and thought we would always be able to buy cheap from abroad. In international trade terms, we’re now a third party to everyone, Europe, the US, India, everyone.

Grim. It makes every prime minister and civil servant from Thatcher onward seem asleep at the wheel.

Yes, but at least we got our country back.

 

[chickens]

Yes, but at least we got our country back.

* waves flag *

 

[BLOCK F]

David Lammy is, and always has been, free to voice whatever opinion he wants. That's how free speech works.

If Trump doesn't like it then that's tough shit. We don't bow down to bullies in this country, never have done.

Yer ’avin’ a larf.
Lammy will have to button his lip or lose his job.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

More than that, this feels like a long-term shift to me. Away from “global policeman” to isolationist “looking after our own.”

In terms of domestic politics, this can’t help but be good for America, it’s only suckers like the UK who truly bought into “global markets” and the idea of selling anything we had to anyone who had the money. Jobs will be created in the US, per capita prosperity will rise, Americans bought British businesses, but remarkably few British businesses bought American companies.

So what now for global Britain? We’ve sold everything of value, alienated our neighbours, and now the Americans have announced they’re not playing any more and they’re taking their ball home with them.

How do we start rebuilding almost every vital industry from scratch, because we’ve sold or run down what we had, and thought we would always be able to buy cheap from abroad. In international trade terms, we’re now a third party to everyone, Europe, the US, India, everyone.

Grim. It makes every prime minister and civil servant from Thatcher onward seem asleep at the wheel.

We could always join the EU.

 

[chickens]

This superb documentary series makes a compelling case for America's failure in its 'global police' role. Be warned, it's a very harrowing watch, but the conclusions are inescapable and those involved in the decision-making process should be deeply ashamed.

Trump isn't among those guilty of inertia, and I say that as someone who wished he'd lost the election.

BBC Four - Corridors of Power: Should America Police the World? - Episode guide

All episodes of Corridors of Power: Should America Police the World?

www.bbc.co.uk

Thank you, will watch.

 

[Bozza]

* waves flag *

*Examines flag*

Made In China

 

[Flounce]

If there's any shred of hope at all, it's that we all feared the worst when Trump won in 2016 and got through those four years. Although I agree it's different this time and much more worrying.

What I don't really understand is how Biden won in 2020 and the Dems have gone backwards, even with a younger more engaging candidate. No doubt to do with Musk and social media manipulation.

Apparently has a lot to do with inflation and food costs which have gone up dramatically post covid and the Ukraine war. Would not have happened under Trump apparently

 

[Official Old Man]

What happened?
I had Tuesday/Wednesday planned out. Starting at 10 pm with the evening news I'd stay in touch until around 1 am to see how it was going. It'll take days they kept saying. Wake up at 6:30 am to hear Trump making his victory speech. How on earth did they get it so wrong.

 

[raymondo]

Tim Rice’s lyrics in Evita seem appropriate;

The people belong to no-one!
They are fickle, can be manipulated, they don't matter!

I used to think that was mainly in Russia...sadly I am reframing my thoughts

 

[Stato]

you have that wrong. in some states in US they have de-criminalised shoplifting, steal under a certain amount there's no prosecution. here, there seems to have been similar approach, informally, leading to shop lifting increase. i dont recall in past local shops requiring security, and why start if upon catching a theif the law doesn't follow up?

Nope. That's based on a Trump lie. Not decriminalised. Charged as a misdemeanour not a felony:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/30/us/california-shoplifting-trump-harris.html

Do a bit of research on this one. The above is true but also DAs have made it a lot easier for low level organised gangs to commit this kind of crime. And it's different to kiddies nicking sweets it's a lot more organised in California.

It's not kids nicking sweets here either. Groups of adults walking into the shop and taking booze or high value goods and walking straight out. Reacting aggressively if challenged.

This is a convenience branch of a national supermarket. They used to have a security guard, but the company changed policy to provide them only at the larger stores.

 

[raymondo]

If you are an American in a small town that used to have a power plant / factory / car plant that most of the town worked in and brought prosperity and a comfortable existence to the town and it's people, and was shut down years ago due to globalisation / climate change policies, and now there are every few opportunities and a fairly miserable existence, then when someone comes along and tells you he will bring all that back and make things like they used to be, then surely you can see the attraction in that?

If you are an American in a small town in a pretty miserable existence who has never left your State, let alone the US and somebody comes along and says that rather than send £150 billion to a country you've never heard of in a far away continent you have never even considered visiting, he is going to invest that money back in the US in towns like yours to make your life prosperous again, can you really say you wouldn't be tempted to vote for that?

The fact is that America is not New York and Washington and San Francisco like we picture in the UK. Most of the country is much more like the scenarios described above. And I totally understand why people in that section of America would vote for Trump. In fact, it's blindingly obvious why they would. It's the same phenomenon with Brexit- people in well-to-do, wealthy and prosperous Sussex can't understand why somebody with a shit life in a dump like Hartlepool would vote for Brexit, because they are doing OK. But put yourself in those people's shoes and you would very likely have a different world view.

To be clear, I voted Remain, voted Labour in this year's election, and wanted Harris to win. But people here dismissing seventy million people as fat racist idiots for voting for Trump is just embarrassing.

I think Trump's win is a terrible result for Ukraine, and a pretty poor result for the UK and Europe. But for your average American? Not convinced it's a bad thing for them, and that is what people tend to vote on- how it will affect their individual lives.

You explain that well - I don't like the result but I understand it.
It remains to be seen whether the folk who voted for him get much of what he's promised: lower food price inflation, more local jobs, prices of tariffed imported goods, safety... Time will tell.

 

[raymondo]

Tax cuts
Spend spend spend (making people wealthier in the short term)
Send back the illegals
Protectionism
America first
Anti woke
End wars globally.

These arent my views. But these are valid reasons to vote for him and his policies are pretty clear.

He may end the Ukraine war temporarily (actually I can't even see that!) but he'll cause more wars a few years down the road - I guess he won't care then.

 

[Dibdab]

Would not have happened under Trump apparently

It actually wouldnt. Under Trump NATO wouldnt have played blink in Ukraine, which means Russia wouldnt have invaded, which means that energy and food inflation wouldn't have happened anywhere near to the extent of where we are today.

 

[Dibdab]

He may end the Ukraine war temporarily (actually I can't even see that!) but he'll cause more wars a few years down the road - I guess he won't care then.

He wasnt involved in starting one war during his last term. In fact I think the only president in living memory not to be in the thick of starting/funding one. Why will it be different this time?

 

[nicko31]

Apparently has a lot to do with inflation and food costs which have gone up dramatically post covid and the Ukraine war. Would not have happened under Trump apparently

He would have totally removed the US from world comodity markets, would never have occurred with the Donald

 

[BBassic]

It actually wouldnt. Under Trump NATO wouldnt have played blink in Ukraine, which means Russia wouldnt have invaded, which means that energy and food inflation wouldn't have happened anywhere near to the extent of where we are today.

Do you have anything at all to back that up?

 

[peterward]

If there's any shred of hope at all, it's that we all feared the worst when Trump won in 2016 and got through those four years. Although I agree it's different this time and much more worrying.

What I don't really understand is how Biden won in 2020 and the Dems have gone backwards, even with a younger more engaging candidate. No doubt to do with Musk and social media manipulation, but also probably inflation and the fact that people like voting for populists and against 'the establishment' when everything is in the sh*t - without realising they are actually voting FOR the establishment (see Brexit).

She's a woman Kevo and a black women too. Shouldn't matter in 2024 but it sure as hell will to white non college degree males.

Trump lost to the male candidate on 2020 and beat the 2 females in 2016 and 2024.