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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%

  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%

  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .


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Bodian

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May 3, 2012
14,211
Cumbria
Nobby Cybergoat said:
I do sometimes think though ... as much as I would love him to go to jail, is that the best scenario for the rehabilitation of the US?

If there was some plea deal, for his various crimes, where he avoided jail, had to admit guilt and apologise, couldn't post on social media, speak in public or run for office and basically had to see out his days playing golf on his course in Scotland, would that actually be a better way of trying to move on from this nightmare?
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Amended for a far scarier outcome....
 




US Seagull

US Seagull

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Jul 17, 2003
4,637
Cleveland, OH
Seagull58 said:
He wouldn't stick to the terms of the plea deal. He's a malignant narcissist and would continue posting lies and threats on social media.
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Even now he is not sticking to the agreement made during his arraignment(s). He continues to engage in what is clearly an attempt to intimidate potential witnesses.

He is daring (one of the many) judge(s) to get pissed off enough to actually demand he be jailed pending trial.

This from yesterday:


Expect Georgia to add "witness tampering" as an additional charge.
 


PILTDOWN MAN

PILTDOWN MAN

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Sep 15, 2004
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US Seagull said:
Even now he is not sticking to the agreement made during his arraignment(s). He continues to engage in what is clearly an attempt to intimidate potential witnesses.

He is daring (one of the many) judge(s) to get pissed off enough to actually demand he be jailed pending trial.

This from yesterday:


Expect Georgia to add "witness tampering" as an additional charge.
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There's enough guns in the US and certainly enough nutters surely one can use one to good use for once instead of shooting kids.
 


US Seagull

US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,637
Cleveland, OH
:lolol:

www.rollingstone.com

Trump Announces Plans to Finally Go Ahead and Prove Election Was Rigged

Donald Trump has responded to Fani Willis' indictment by announcing a press conference during which he will prove the election was rigged against him.
www.rollingstone.com www.rollingstone.com

There's an old adage with lawyers:

"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."
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Trump is very definitely pounding the table at this point.
 






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Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,066
Faversham
Nobby Cybergoat said:
I do sometimes think though ... as much as I would love him to go to jail, is that the best scenario for the rehabilitation of the US?

If there was some plea deal, for his various crimes, where he avoided jail, had to admit guilt and apologise, couldn't post on social media, speak in public or run for office and basically had to see out his days playing golf in Mar Al Lago, would that actually be a better way of trying to move on from this nightmare?
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There is no chance he would ever agree to that.
 


bhafc99

bhafc99

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Oct 14, 2003
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RexCathedra

RexCathedra

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Jan 14, 2005
3,509
Vacationland
Nobby Cybergoat said:
I suppose the one where he's faced with spending the rest of his life in jail
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He'd have to be convicted first. 12-person jury, unanimous for conviction.

Even with expert voir-dire, the odds are very good that there'll be a true believer in any jury you empanel, in any jurisdiction.

And even in DC. The city isn't majority black any more -- it's 40-40-20 at this point.

So you secure a conviction... and then the appeals process kicks in.
 
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Bodian

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Nobby Cybergoat

Nobby Cybergoat

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RexCathedra said:
He'd have to be convicted first. 12-person jury, unanimous for conviction.

Even with expert voir-dire, the odds are very good that there'll be a true believer in any jury you empanel, in any jurisdiction.

And even in DC. The city isn't majority black any more -- it's 40-40-20 at this point.

So you secure a conviction... and then the appeals process kicks in.
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Yes, this is what I mean. He'd have to be convicted. He needs to be in no uncertain terms he's going to prison, he has no chance to pardon himself, then there's a deal to be done.

As much as I hate him, the US needs to to heal and him behind bars, forever going on about the conspiracy and whipping up hatred from a cell won't achieve this
 




Seagull58

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
8,487
Vilamoura, Portugal
Nobby Cybergoat said:
Yes, this is what I mean. He'd have to be convicted. He needs to be in no uncertain terms he's going to prison, he has no chance to pardon himself, then there's a deal to be done.

As much as I hate him, the US needs to to heal and him behind bars, forever going on about the conspiracy and whipping up hatred from a cell won't achieve this
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Lock him up and throw away the key. Forget about any deals.
 


RexCathedra

RexCathedra

Aurea Mediocritas
Jan 14, 2005
3,509
Vacationland
Seagull58 said:
Lock him up and throw away the key. Forget about any deals.
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Still have to find a jury that will convict him.

Elsewise you run into a "The only way to preserve the rule of law and the ordinary functioning of justice is drumhead courts-martial, and summary executions" problem.
 










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Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
16,026
Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Good piece in the Guardian yesterday on how Trump's latest Big Lie poses an existential threat to the future of American democracy

www.theguardian.com

Trump is undermining the entire US judicial system with another big lie | Robert Reich

Trump’s second big lie is almost as dangerous to the future of American democracy as was his first
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Good piece, but 'Trump tells lies' is hardly news. I reckon almost everything he SAYS is, at best, distorted slightly from the truth and, at worst, complete fiction in his funny little head.
 






US Seagull

US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,637
Cleveland, OH
lasvegan said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

DERSHOWITZ: Gore's team and I contested 2000 vote. Why go after Trump?

DERSHOWITZ: Electoral challenges have long been part of American history, only now are they being criminalized. I was one of the lawyers involved in objections to Florida's presidential vote in 2000.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Pay no attention. Dershowitz has gone completely off the deep end and ruined his reputation as a serious legal scholar.

In case it's not clear: You don't get to commit a crime just because you believe you are the victim of a crime.
 


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lasvegan

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Jan 30, 2009
2,199
Sin City
US Seagull said:
Pay no attention. Dershowitz has gone completely off the deep end and ruined his reputation as a serious legal scholar.

In case it's not clear: You don't get to commit a crime just because you believe you are the victim of a crime.
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In case it’s not clear, it isn’t a crime to challenge an election. It’s been happening for 200 years. Dershowitz hasn’t gone off the deep end, he just has the gonads to call it out for what it is, the persecution of their main political opponent to eliminate him from contention.
 


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