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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*
- Thread starter Zeberdi
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Watching the news last night, it seemed as though USA have the lowest inflation rate for quite some time, and the lowest unemployment rate since the 1960s. Odd that Biden doesn't seem to be being given much credit for this, and elections are usually won on economics (ie: people vote for what they think will benefit them financially) - although, it's fair to say that these are odd times indeed.
The Democrats were the party of the economic left before the war (Roosevelt and the New Deal etc.)
Democratic politicians in the South would go on about State's Rights and then when they were in the North would go on about projects to support the economy and working people.
In those days most communication and media across America was still regional, so politicians could get away with being massive hypocrites.
Woodrow Wilson (Democrat), largely remembered over here for being a cuddly supporter of the rights of nations, was a racist who enabled large scale official racial segregation.
Anyway, while interesting it doesn't have any particular relevance to each party today. It's like bringing up Gaitskell's position on the Suez Crisis as an argument for not voting for Labour.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
As I understand it, he could pardon himself from federal convictions but only the governor can pardon state convictions.
And let's be honest, Al Gore had more reason than Trump to take issue with the result in Florida!
The US has a major problem come the 2024 Election.
When that Ninja company did their Audit at the last Election in the swing states. They had access to ballot papers for close to 3 months pretending too what everyone thought was auditing the 2020 Election.
No one knows what information they could have extracted during those 3 months. All they needed to have done is extract names and addresses. Then when 2024 comes along. Have passed that information on to someone like Russia. They in turn could flood the next Election with fake mail in votes from those Voters in the swing states.
Granted they wouldn't tabulate through the voting machines but they would be hand counted and then when the real voters voted as well there would be duplicated votes which would at the very least cause mass confusion enough for Trump's Team to have all them thrown out which would mean that the ones who voted for Biden would be cast aside.
A very worrying thought
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
- 10,465
He has quite a lot on his plate. I pinched this off the beeb:
Trump now faces five upcoming trials - three criminal trials which include the classified documents case, the hush money case, and these election charges; and two civil trials over business practices and alleged defamation of a woman who accused him of rape.
Trump now faces five upcoming trials - three criminal trials which include the classified documents case, the hush money case, and these election charges; and two civil trials over business practices and alleged defamation of a woman who accused him of rape.
It’s frustrating that his campaign donations are covering all the legal expenses. Any normal person would be crushed financially over these trials.
The Georgia charges have dropped:
“The charge sheet refers to the defendants as a "criminal organization", accusing them of a number of crimes, including:
They are going after him in the same way they’d go after a mafia gang.
“The charge sheet refers to the defendants as a "criminal organization", accusing them of a number of crimes, including:
- False statements and writings
- Impersonating a public officer
- Forgery
- Filing false documents
- Influencing witnesses
- Computer trespass
- Conspiracy to defraud the state
- Theft and perjury.
They are going after him in the same way they’d go after a mafia gang.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 72,316
If that little lot doesn't bar him from running for public office then nothing will
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 28,272
For me, the attempted corruption in Georgia stood out as the most succinct and incredible example of Trump's ignorance ,arrogance and stupidity. ...The phone call to the Republican Governor asking him to " Find me another 11,000 votes ....you can just say you miscalculated ? " would and should have ended his political career on the spot.
The fact that it hasn't yet is truly frightening in a supposed Democratic society.
Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
- 16,027
'He has denied all charges. His campaign said the US had become "a Marxist Third World dictatorship".'
OK mate
OK mate
I know it's difficult to keep this straight but one more time, Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia SECRETARY OF STATE, the state official in charge of elections, was the person on the other side of the phone call Trump initiated that strong armed the state official. Thank God it was a recorded conference call.
This is a video of an Atlanta, Georgia News program with parts of the phone call.
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Hotchilidog
Well-known member
- Jan 24, 2009
- 9,120
There are so many things Trump should be in jail for, but in relation to his electoral crimes these charges seem the best chance of locking him up. He should also go down in the Jan 6 trial although I can see he him wriggling free there.
Thank goodness he is finally being held to account, his guilt is there for all to see but as we live in a world where the truth of the matter is meaningless I am not holding my breath on justice actually being served.
Desantis v Newsom isn't much better.
I guess they might both be able to walk down stairs without falling over, so it's an improvement on Trump and Biden
Seagull58
In the Algarve
It's arguable whether the constitution allows him to pardon himself. There are "legal scholars" stating both positions. If it happened, which I'm pretty sure it won't, it will end up in the Supreme Court, which is dominated by Christofascist Trumpists. Would they dare to rule in his favour? Well, they've already dared to make several Christofascist decisions in other cases e.g. overturning Roe v Wade, so I suspect they would.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
The classified documents case should be a slam-dunk. Only 3 defendants, no racketeering conspiracy charges to prove in court, and they have audio and video evidence proving his guilt. They even have him on tape confirming he didn't declassify the documents and he shouldn't be showing them to the journos in the room.