[Football] That Crystal Palace banner

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Come on, that banner is spot on. If anyone other than Palace fans produced that banner would you have said the same?

I agree with [MENTION=3858]Motogull[/MENTION].

Can you imagine Man City fans with such a banner?

Or Man U?

Or Arsenal?

Ah - but there is a line isn't there. And only Newcastle have crossed it. All the other clubs have clean owners don't they?

And it is for small clubs without much of a pot to piss in to point it out. Not in a way that will effect change or reverse the take over, but simply to wind up the Newcastle fans in a 'look at us' way.

And we are looking at them. Plucky Palace.

 

[Swansman]

I agree with [MENTION=3858]Motogull[/MENTION].

Can you imagine Man City fans with such a banner?

Or Man U?

Or Arsenal?

Ah - but there is a line isn't there. And only Newcastle have crossed it. All the other clubs have clean owners don't they?

And it is for small clubs without much of a pot to piss in to point it out. Not in a way that will effect change or reverse the take over, but simply to wind up the Newcastle fans in a 'look at us' way.

And we are looking at them. Plucky Palace.

Another Saudi whataboutery-apologetic.

How do they find you? You get provision per forum post or something?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Are you working for the Saudi whataboutery propaganda department voluntarily or you get some kind of payment for this?

Why not engage with the points made?

One think I'm certain is that a banner at shitehole park won't kick start a wind of change that turns into a tsumani of protest that reverses the decision for the murderer nation's nominees' ownership of Newcastle.

 

[Dougie]

Are you working for the Saudi whataboutery propaganda department voluntarily or you get some kind of payment for this?

He’s on a mission of some sort it seems.

 

[Swansman]

Why not engage with the points made?

One think I'm certain is that a banner at shitehole park won't kick start a wind of change that turns into a tsumani of protest that reverses the decision for the murderer nation's nominees' ownership of Newcastle.

Because two wrongs dont make a right, so just because they didnt protest against Man City doesnt mean they cant/its better not to protest against Newcastle.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Another Saudi whataboutery-apologetic.

How do they find you? You get provision per forum post or something?

Don't be a tit.

If you are so angry about the Saudi's, go and do something about it. I don't ever recall you campaigning against them on NSC before. Yes we know you don't do anything* that returns any coin to the murderers, but that isn't enough.

* at all, by the sound of it.

 

[Swansman]

Don't be a tit.

If you are so angry about the Saudi's, go and do something about it. I don't ever recall you campaigning against them on NSC before. Yes we know you don't do anything* that returns any coin to the murderers, but that isn't enough.

* at all, by the sound of it.

You ever been angry about something without being able to do something about it?

Your defending of the Saudi govt/investors says a lot about you.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Stop derailing the thread please.
You don’t want to get bozza in trouble by accusing mr parish of being behind the banner , especially as there’s a police investigation going on. That’s right boss man eh ?

You don't come on NSC telling Brighton supporters to not derail a thread.

Especially you

 

[Dibdab]

Palace fans are the worst sort of hypocrites.

This banner was produced by the Spiv because you’ve got more chance of being relegated now that Newcastle are in the ‘big 7’.

That’s what this is all about and you know it.

I’m sorry that’s just nonsense.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I agree with [MENTION=3858]Motogull[/MENTION].

Can you imagine Man City fans with such a banner?

Or Man U?

Or Arsenal?

Ah - but there is a line isn't there. And only Newcastle have crossed it. All the other clubs have clean owners don't they?

And it is for small clubs without much of a pot to piss in to point it out. Not in a way that will effect change or reverse the take over, but simply to wind up the Newcastle fans in a 'look at us' way.

And we are looking at them. Plucky Palace.

Clean? Comparatively, yes. Have the Abu Dhabi regime bombed hospitals in Yemen or murdered journalists? Not that we've heard of, and I'm pretty sure that the Glazers and Stan Kroenke haven't.

Yes, many of us are no doubt complicit by omission, but I can't see how we can object to fans, even of our greatest rivals, taking a strong stand. More fans should do it.

 

[Del Fenner]

The way I read that is, the Premier League has blood on their hands because they accept the Saudis. For me its a dig at the Premier League not Newcastle. The problem is that the Premier League doesn't take any of that stuff into account not that they think its ok, They have fought this Saudi takeover for something like two years, so much so there was going to be a court case over this in January. Would the Premier League have won it? I don't think they actually want the Saudis here anymore than anyone else.

Due to a series of rejected FOI requests, it appears highly likely that the PL were under pressure from the British Government to accept PIF as owners of Newcastle.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820

 

[Del Fenner]

Palace fans are the worst sort of hypocrites.

This banner was produced by the Spiv because you’ve got more chance of being relegated now that Newcastle are in the ‘big 7’.

That’s what this is all about and you know it.

Not true. The banner was hand painted by the HF over the last 2 weeks. They have access to a secure storeroom in the ground which they use to prepare banners and displays.

They had no permission from the club, the chief steward made strenuous efforts to make them take it down.

 

[Del Fenner]

I agree with [MENTION=3858]Motogull[/MENTION].

Can you imagine Man City fans with such a banner?

Or Man U?

Or Arsenal?

Ah - but there is a line isn't there. And only Newcastle have crossed it. All the other clubs have clean owners don't they?

And it is for small clubs without much of a pot to piss in to point it out. Not in a way that will effect change or reverse the take over, but simply to wind up the Newcastle fans in a 'look at us' way.

And we are looking at them. Plucky Palace.

I have always thought better of you than that.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

You ever been angry about something without being able to do something about it?

Dismissing [MENTION=23795]Hugo Rune[/MENTION]'s post (and mine) by questioning our motives and allegiances may be an expression of anger. But it is also a demonstration of stupidity.

My view (and you will say you aren't interested in my view - only as a totem to attract your offensiveness) is that dealing with this murdering nation in the wider context is not straightforward. The UK and most other nations are already in bed with them over oil. So we already have blood on our hands and have no intention to wash it off.

What intrigues me is why they want to buy a football club. I have read about sports washing, but I am not going to book a holiday in Saudi because they own Newcastle, or speak favourably about them at dinner parties. Is a few thousand Geordie holiday makers going to increase saudi wealth? How much more money are they going to 'earn' via this investment? How much do they need?

They have even got a non muslim woman as the front of house face. Is this promoting Islam?

Or are they holed up in their Dr Evil lairs, sniggering about how they have fooled us, and the next plan will be....er?

I think this is a first bumbling attempt to ingraciate themselves, and engage with the world. My view is let's see how it goes. My view would be different if we didn't already have a Russian oligarch, Chinese nominees, other Arab Emirs, weird American and other freaks running our clubs.

Please don't say that making a stand against the Saudis will turn the tide, and enough is enough. Reversing the tide of football finance with a comedy banner? No. This (Palace fans) is almost entirely an opportunistic pop at a relegation rival.

 

[Del Fenner]

This (Palace fans) is almost entirely an opportunistic pop at a relegation rival.

You could not be more wrong.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Are you working for the Saudi whataboutery propaganda department voluntarily or you get some kind of payment for this?

In this instance, my ‘whataboutery’ is not driven by any sympathy with the Saudi regime which I consider awful and unfit to be involved with football club ownership in the UK. More to do with the fact that everyone is jumping on a moral crusade but why weren’t some (especially Palace Ultras) up in arms when an equally tainted regime took over Man City?

Abramovich has been banned from entry to the UK on occasion (and that’s from a sympathetic Tory government) but I’ve not seen the outpouring of anger over his involvement with Chelsea that we are seeing now.

Bottom line is that the ‘Big 6’ are distraught that they’ve been turned into the ‘Big 7’, clubs like Everton and West Ham are angry because they will be even further away from European places and the bottom half teams (a club we are normally a member of) have lost a relegation rival which means going down in future will be slightly more likely.

Having witnessed the sort of quality blood stained Arab money can buy yesterday, I’m in no mood to limit this conversation to Ultras Vs Saudis as it’s a much much bigger picture.

Edit - just read HWT’s post ‘what he said’ would have sufficed!

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Stop derailing the thread please.
You don’t want to get bozza in trouble by accusing mr parish of being behind the banner , especially as there’s a police investigation going on. That’s right boss man eh ?

Whilst you are on one about libel/slander, please be sure to remind the hooded morons that Lewis Dunk was found not guilty on all charges. Cheers.

 

[Swansman]

Dismissing [MENTION=23795]Hugo Rune[/MENTION]'s post (and mine) by questioning our motives and allegiances may be an expression of anger. But it is also a demonstration of stupidity.

My view (and you will say you aren't interested in my view - only as a totem to attract your offensiveness) is that dealing with this murdering nation in the wider context is not straightforward. The UK and most other nations are already in bed with them over oil. So we already have blood on our hands and have no intention to wash it off.

What intrigues me is why they want to buy a football club. I have read about sports washing, but I am not going to book a holiday in Saudi because they own Newcastle, or speak favourably about them at dinner parties. Is a few thousand Geordie holiday makers going to increase saudi wealth? How much more money are they going to 'earn' via this investment? How much do they need?

They have even got a non muslim woman as the front of house face. Is this promoting Islam?

Or are they holed up in their Dr Evil lairs, sniggering about how they have fooled us, and the next plan will be....er?

I think this is a first bumbling attempt to ingraciate themselves, and engage with the world. My view is let's see how it goes. My view would be different if we didn't already have a Russian oligarch, Chinese nominees, other Arab Emirs, weird American and other freaks running our clubs.

Please don't say that making a stand against the Saudis will turn the tide, and enough is enough. Reversing the tide of football finance with a comeday banner? No. This (Palace fans) is almost entirely an opportunistic pop at a relegation rival.

Unbelievable. You dont think its an attempt of sports washing, but you do think its a way for them to ingratiate themselves. In what way is the difference anything but semantics?

You really are showing your true colours here digging hard and deep to find arguments to defend the Saudis and their takeover.

 

[Stat Brother]

How can that banner and players rightfully taking a knee coexist in the same place, at the same time, under governing body?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

It is possible that the Saudi takeover has been a tipping point in mobilising frustration at 'modern football'. As Hugo and HWT have stated, the PL has a number of unsavoury owners or at the least some who 'may' have gotten their fortune from dubious sources. The Saudis are simply a bigger shark than the other sharks. In my view, the day Abramovic took over at Chelsea, heralded in a dark new era for our national game and this Newcastle takeover amplifies my disatisfaction.