Thank GOD for Islam.

[Gullys Cats]

I don't care what anybody believes in religion...it is their choice.....as long as they don't try and force their ideals on me. I recieved an email today which I will post,some of you will disagree with it...some will agree. But why all this gnashing of teeth and pent up anger about a film...be honest...was any christian on here upset by the 'Life of Brian'.....ok there's always one.......so did we all go out and burn effigies of Monty Python.
Anyway....the Email...The Muslims are not happy.






They're not happy in Gaza.
They're not happy in Egypt.
They're not happy in Libya.

























They're not happy in Iran.
They're not happy inIraq.
They're not happy inYenem.
They're not happy in Pakistan.
They're not happy in Syria.
They're not happy in Lebanon.

So where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia.
They're happy in Canada.
They're happy in England.
They're happy in France.
They're happy in Italy.
They're happy in Germany.
They're happy in Sweden.
They're happy in the USA.
They're happy in Norway.
They're happy in Holland.
They're happy in Denmark.

So basically they're happy in every country that isnot Muslim and unhappy in every country that is!

And who do they blame ?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

They blame the countries that they're happy in!

And then they want to change those countries that they are happy in, to the country where they came from to one where they were unhappy.

Mind boggles.

To be honest not all muslims are like this...but this is how the fanatics come across.

Religion has a lot to answer for.

Good post

 

[abc]

You talk about faith being the love of your god. Are you sure it is love and not fear! Those that believe in a god surely believe he has power over everything and therefore is responsible for all the death and suffering in the world. Someone who does that does not deserve my admiration! Is it also fear of what happens when you die. Some people can't handle the concept that that is it and there is no other 'existence'.[/QUOTE]

You may be right but actually that misses my point. Faith is personal between you and your God. ALL of the Faiths (Christianity, Muslim, Hindi et al) have peace and love as their centre point. So Faith is at worst harmless and best a positive.

However Religion is the corruption of Faith by people who lose sight of Love and twist Faith into the many negative aspects of human emotion and thought or actually hijack faith and use it for their own political ends.

Faith hurts no one and is not a threat. Religion is not the same thing and throughout history people have used Religion to justify oppression and atrocities. Religion is about Humans and their twisted objectives and bigotries. Faith is simply about, well, Faith.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Is there life after death ?

Think about it...there was no life before you were born..you learn about past life through history..there must be no life after death....when you die the brain dies....you don't lay there thinking 'I'm dead! In fact you know nothing...you don't even know you had a life....so just enjoy watching the Albion whilst you can.

Here endeth the lesson from the school of hard knocks!!

 

[pastafarian]

I just can't believe how much of a role religion plays in the 21st century.

the first response on this thread and still the best one

why on earth are government leaders from so many countries allowing their policies to be dictated by religious interest groups.

 

[BadFish]

Good post

Why is it a good post? What evidence is there that "they' are happy or not happy in any of the countries you mention?

'They?'What the f*** is They? Are you suggesting that all Muslims think the same and feel the same about everything?

There is no 'they'. Islam is a religion and religions are made up of many different people with many different views and many different preferences. To my mind the main problem we have at the moment is knobheads who want to lump millions of people together based on the fact that they share a religion. We blame them for what other people in their religion are doing, We accuse them of sharing the feelings of other more outspoken members of their religion. Maybe if we considered people as individuals and took them as we found them we could avoid the ridiculous stereotypes that are causing so much friction across the world.

The email doesn't mention or take into account the Muslims who are happy in the first list of countries or indeed are indifferent to the first list of countries. It also ignores the Muslims who are unhappy in the second set of countries (maybe it is this group that are trying to change the second list of countries into the first?). what about the Muslims that like some stuff about their country but not others and don't feel strongly enough about it to want to change it.

What I do know is that this email is exactly the kind of ill thought out nonsense that is increasing friction between religions across the world and causing the problems.

Their are extremist idiots in all religions and allowing them to dictate the way religions are viewed around the world is very very dangerous.

 

[BadFish]

Question 1 - WTF?

Question 2 - look at the league tables! St John's Meads in Eastbourne is constantly near the top, and the situation is similar with other schools? What are you suggesting?

Try actually looking in somewhere like Melton Road in Leicester to see what most of these people are like. They live in the dark ages. Even many decent girls with western views get forced into arranged marriages and made to wear Islamic clothes.

I worked with one girl who was well educated and "western". Her family sent her over there to marry, she came back as a virtual slave, and was forced to wear a heavy headdress (but not a burka).

Lol. So this Melton road in Leicester is an accurate cross section of 'most' Muslims?

It has alread been discussed that Islam is a far reaching, wide ranging and disparate religion with many different sects and off shoots. But you (with what qualification) have found a street in Leicester that accurately portrays the beliefs and feeling of 'most' of them.

Do you also know the street which show what 'most' Christians are like? 'Most' Jews? 'Most' Buddhists?

 

[Gullys Cats]

Why is it a good post? What evidence is there that "they' are happy or not happy in any of the countries you mention?

'They?'What the f*** is They? Are you suggesting that all Muslims think the same and feel the same about everything?

There is no 'they'. Islam is a religion and religions are made up of many different people with many different views and many different preferences. To my mind the main problem we have at the moment is knobheads who want to lump millions of people together based on the fact that they share a religion. We blame them for what other people in their religion are doing, We accuse them of sharing the feelings of other more outspoken members of their religion. Maybe if we considered people as individuals and took them as we found them we could avoid the ridiculous stereotypes that are causing so much friction across the world.

The email doesn't mention or take into account the Muslims who are happy in the first list of countries or indeed are indifferent to the first list of countries. It also ignores the Muslims who are unhappy in the second set of countries (maybe it is this group that are trying to change the second list of countries into the first?). what about the Muslims that like some stuff about their country but not others and don't feel strongly enough about it to want to change it.

What I do know is that this email is exactly the kind of ill thought out nonsense that is increasing friction between religions across the world and causing the problems.

Their are extremist idiots in all religions and allowing them to dictate the way religions are viewed around the world is very very dangerous.

I think he made some good points, the same as you have.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Question 1 - WTF?

Question 2 - look at the league tables! St John's Meads in Eastbourne is constantly near the top, and the situation is similar with other schools? What are you suggesting?

Try actually looking in somewhere like Melton Road in Leicester to see what most of these people are like. They live in the dark ages. Even many decent girls with western views get forced into arranged marriages and made to wear Islamic clothes.

I worked with one girl who was well educated and "western". Her family sent her over there to marry, she came back as a virtual slave, and was forced to wear a heavy headdress (but not a burka).

And one girl represents the whole community.... what about the Muslim Turks in London who go to discos, drink, smoke and go topless on beaches? Anywway I dont they fit your agenda so no matter

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

You may be right but actually that misses my point. Faith is personal between you and your God. ALL of the Faiths (Christianity, Muslim, Hindi et al) have peace and love as their centre point. So Faith is at worst harmless and best a positive.

However Religion is the corruption of Faith by people who lose sight of Love and twist Faith into the many negative aspects of human emotion and thought or actually hijack faith and use it for their own political ends.

Faith hurts no one and is not a threat. Religion is not the same thing and throughout history people have used Religion to justify oppression and atrocities. Religion is about Humans and their twisted objectives and bigotries. Faith is simply about, well, Faith.

Most definitely this

 

[Randsta]

I was thinking of switching I just love burning flags.....

 

[pork pie]

And one girl represents the whole community.... what about the Muslim Turks in London who go to discos, drink, smoke and go topless on beaches? Anywway I dont they fit your agenda so no matter

We are not talking about Turks here though are we? Turks think they are Europeans, we are talking about Asians and Arabs.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

We are not talking about Turks here though are we? Turks think they are Europeans, we are talking about Asians and Arabs.

I agree with most of what you say. Until people live in places like Leicester or Luton then they might start to understand what you are saying. From what I have seen, I do actually wonder what role some of these women play in their relationships. It feels like to me that some are being told not too integrate and not to embrace the western culture.

Since some of these women are probably in arranged marriages, and have been bought over to live in the UK, they don't know any different and are too scared to speak out. I think this is bad for the UK.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

We are not talking about Turks here though are we? Turks think they are Europeans, we are talking about Asians and Arabs.

Yet that IS exactly my point..... not ALL Muslims are the same and until we can honestly say we know the difference we should be very careful of labelling them and trying to understadn their intentions and motivations. This thread paintbrushes the issue.

 

[farawaysaint]

There were many protests in the US but how many people were killed in those protests. There is a difference between protesting and rioting.

Canada is the most atheist country on earth, what about the hockey riots after the Stanley cup loss in Vancouver? This is in one of the most developed nations on earth. My point is simply if it's something people care about, (religion or even sports,) mob mentality tends to come to the front and it has nothing to do with Islam.

 

[User removed 4]

What makes me chuckle is they actually think that burning effigies and flags actually offends the west. It might upset some but I'd say for the most part, no one gives a fart.

Throw a current, valid green card in the middle of one of the mobs protesting/burning flags and effigies and see how many are killed in the stampede to grab it.

 

[father_and_son]

I think Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK. Two reasons for this, people who have converted and people who have arrived in this country and obviously had children whilst living in the UK.

"Fastest growing" does not mean its taking over the country though...

If there were 100 Christians they converted 10 more it would have grown by 10%
If there was 1 Muslim and he converted 1 other it would have grown by 100%
Islam would be there "fastest growing" but there's still only 2 of them!

Islam isn't and probably never will be the BIGGEST religion in the UK.

 

[User removed 4]

Unlike those fun loving Christians in the UVF, IRA, KKK or Jewish settlers in the West Bank ?

The difference being that the uvf/ira werent killing people in the name of their religion , you're being naive or disingenuous to suggest this is the case.

 

[farawaysaint]

The difference being that the uvf/ira werent killing people in the name of their religion , you're being naive or disingenuous to suggest this is the case.

Does it really matter what you kill in the name of? Surely just killing should be condemned not the motivation?

 

[User removed 4]

Does it really matter what you kill in the name of? Surely just killing should be condemned not the motivation?

of course it doesnt, but i was refuting a point that somebody made comparing christians killing , which was for a cause other than that of christianity, to muslims killing , which seems to be in the name of their religion most of the time.

 

[drew]

You talk about faith being the love of your god. Are you sure it is love and not fear! Those that believe in a god surely believe he has power over everything and therefore is responsible for all the death and suffering in the world. Someone who does that does not deserve my admiration! Is it also fear of what happens when you die. Some people can't handle the concept that that is it and there is no other 'existence'.

You may be right but actually that misses my point. Faith is personal between you and your God. ALL of the Faiths (Christianity, Muslim, Hindi et al) have peace and love as their centre point. So Faith is at worst harmless and best a positive.

However Religion is the corruption of Faith by people who lose sight of Love and twist Faith into the many negative aspects of human emotion and thought or actually hijack faith and use it for their own political ends.

Faith hurts no one and is not a threat. Religion is not the same thing and throughout history people have used Religion to justify oppression and atrocities. Religion is about Humans and their twisted objectives and bigotries. Faith is simply about, well, Faith.[/QUOTE]

It's very simple to disassociate faith from religion but the majority would probably accept the latter as being the collective form of the former. Also, what exactly does faith do for you. The word suggests trusting in something. Do you trust your god to look after you because there are plenty of people that have had faith and have died painfully, or seen loved ones die or suffer. Does it come down to accepting anything he does to you during life because you want to believe he will somehow look after you when you have died? I'll say it again, if there is a power that can control events then why do so many innocent people suffer.

Finally, do you ever wonder whether your life would be different if you had no faith and whether in fact you actually need it? Would you suddenly treat others as scum, steal, lie etc? I suspect not.