Thank GOD for Islam.

[Stoo82]

Watching their orchestrated protests, car burnings, and staged indignation confirms why I have no time for religion. This planet would be a much safer place without religion.

But religion is not the problem.

Some people would say in the 80's that "saturday afternoons would be a lot safer without football".

It is not football or indeed religion - even Islam- that is the problem. It is the mindless morons commiting these mindless acts of violence in the name of football or religion.

 

[Triggaaar]

Not in our lifetime, but I think one day this will be the dominant religion in our country. If these riots are anything to go by, and the way some people have become so extreme, I think this will be one crappy country to live in. Even worse I feel that anybody who does not have the same beliefs as they do will eventually be pushed out and victimised.

That's pretty unlikely. I can't see my children's children suiddenly wanting to turn to Islam, and then victimising those that don't.

 

[Triggaaar]

But religion is not the problem.

Some people would say in the 80's that "saturday afternoons would be a lot safer without football".

It's nothing like the same. Those that ran football, and those that wanted to watch, all condemned the violence and wanted nothing to do with it. That's completely different to when leaders of a religion call upon the millions of followers to kill others. Sure you and I wouldn't follow such orders, but there are many that would do so because they believe their god is real, and they believe it's what he wants them to do. They wouldn't go to a football match and fight because they are not normally violent people.

 

[Stoo82]

It's nothing like the same. Those that ran football, and those that wanted to watch, all condemned the violence and wanted nothing to do with it. That's completely different to when leaders of a religion call upon the millions of followers to kill others.

Ok. Maybe the problem is that Islam is 1000 years behind the Christain West. Budhisum is a non violent religion, unless protesting against a non-democratic government. The religons of China and India do not advocate violence on a mass scale demanding the death of an American film maker.

So the argument should still be that it is not the world would be alot safer without relgion, but the world would be alot safter without the complete and utter nutters who live in a society that is 1000 years behind everyone else. Is Islam the problem here? Nobody wants to say it and it probley is not true. But even the moderates are a bunch of nutters.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

My God is better than your God doesn't necessarily refer to religion.

Its not about just about what God you favour either. To attack an enemy you have never met that lives miles away doesn't just need a long range missile, it needs a long range excuse.

If the usa stopped trying to manipulate the world by being the worlds policeman it might help. Funny how the film fury seems to be timed just when that ambassador was killed wasn't it?

 

[Triggaaar]

So the argument should still be that it is not the world would be alot safer without relgion, but the world would be alot safter without the complete and utter nutters who live in a society that is 1000 years behind everyone else. Is Islam the problem here?

Like you say, it's the societies that are using Islam for violence, not Islam itself. The Koran doesn't advocate violence, but places like Saudi Arabia have changed the book to encourage it's people to be anti semitic. Imagine if the sole religion of the middle east was Christianity, and the west was an Islamic region - it wouldn't change anything, the leaders in the middle east would be bombing us under the name of Jesus. Just like when the crusades slaughtered their way through the holy land under the name of god. If you have a religious society that always believes what it's told, you can make them do anything regardless which religion you use.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

The ridiculous behaviour of those who do not understand their own religion is truly frightening...especially when they have the power to do something about it. BUT not all Muslims are like this. Second, not all believers are like this and thirdly, non-believers can also justify frightening behaviour by believing that as there is no religion they can do what they like. Mr Brevik, for example.

When humans want to kill others, they will always find an excuse, whether it be religion or not.

 

[looney]

Unlike those fun loving Christians in the UVF, IRA, KKK or Jewish settlers in the West Bank ?

None of those have pure religous motives, bar the jewish settlers who are not christian, totally invalid comparison.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I doesn't matter much what rhetoric is said by Muslim leaders they have never and never will be tolerant of non-believers.

 

[looney]

. The Koran doesn't advocate violence

Yes it does. Under the hubris of jihad and many other fatwahs and other examples. got to be the dumbest statement ever. The Saudis haven't altered the Koran, Er, you can be put to death for doing that.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yes it does. Under the hubris of jihad and many other fatwahs and other examples. got to be the dumbest statement ever.

Ok.

The Saudis haven't altered the Koran, Er, you can be put to death for doing that.

Yes they have. There's a bit that says about their enemies. In new versions made by SA, it now says something like 'our enemies, such as the Jews'. Google it, you'll probably find something (I can look later, off out now).

 

[PC-Gull]

Looking at the whole, blaming all religions for the actions of the relative few is ignorant. As was said before, people will do what they want and find an excuse to try and remove blame from themselves. Even looking at Islam, it is one of the biggest religions in the world and yet the majority are being blamed for the actions of a small percentage. The world would not be any better off with the removal of religion, it would be better off if those in power would open their tiny minds and promoted peace and acceptance rather than blind hatred. All people are responsible for their own actions regardless of who tells them to do what. "And Satan says, when the matter has been decided: Allah promised you a promise of truth; and I promised you, then failed you. And I had no power over you except that I called you and you obeyed me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves..." (Surah 14:22)

 

[martyn20]

Some of you might agree with this guy.

A word to rioting Muslims - YouTube

What an ignorant idiot and that's after watching just 38 seconds of that crap

 

[martyn20]

Looking at the whole, blaming all religions for the actions of the relative few is ignorant. As was said before, people will do what they want and find an excuse to try and remove blame from themselves. Even looking at Islam, it is one of the biggest religions in the world and yet the majority are being blamed for the actions of a small percentage. The world would not be any better off with the removal of religion, it would be better off if those in power would open their tiny minds and promoted peace and acceptance rather than blind hatred. All people are responsible for their own actions regardless of who tells them to do what. "And Satan says, when the matter has been decided: Allah promised you a promise of truth; and I promised you, then failed you. And I had no power over you except that I called you and you obeyed me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves..." (Surah 14:22)

It's not just a few though is it, and I mean that about all sides

 

[PC-Gull]

It is a few relative to the whole.

 

[redhill seagull 66]

ahhh what a wonderfull peacefull tollerent religion.are we enriched yet?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

That's pretty unlikely. I can't see my children's children suiddenly wanting to turn to Islam, and then victimising those that don't.

I think Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK. Two reasons for this, people who have converted and people who have arrived in this country and obviously had children whilst living in the UK.

 

[drew]

Personally I don't understand how anyone with an ounce of intelligence can believe in things like the power of prayer or life after death in whatever form but that's for them to question themselves. As I see it, the probably root cause of the problem is the attitude of Judaism to the rest of the world and the fact that America condones through inaction, everything that Israel does. This attitude has helped cultivate a hatred of the US and with it, western capitalism which includes us and most of Europe. The leaders of Islam can use that to maintain their control over their 'followers'. And let's be honest, most religions are about the leaders controlling the worshippers and retaining power over them rather than any divine ideals. It applies in christian religions just as it does in other.

 

[cyrilthesinik]

I try not to watch the news these days, I know it'e sticking your head in the sand but it's all so depressing! I found myself getting more and more far right feelings so I thought it better just to chill with it all.

 

[CleckSeagullJunior]

They are offended about a little joke film so they burn flags REALLY... What a bunch of hypocrites burning flags cos they are offended about a joke... Really what is the world coming to.