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[nicko31]

To create a socialist republic , nothing to do with religion , do your own fking research

Yes religion has has nothing to do with the troubles, purely coincidental. I've learned something new today

 

[The Clamp]

That certainly wasnt why they were killinmg each other though, by applying that logic , you could say that the napoleonic wars between catholic france and protestant britain were ''religious''.

Not sure that is entirely true.

 

[alfredmizen]

Yes religion has has nothing to do with the troubles, purely coincidental. I've learned something new today

ever heard of wolfe tone ?

 

[alfredmizen]

Not sure that is entirely true.

You wont mind explaining why then ?

 

[The Clamp]

You wont mind explaining why then ?

Oh, it's certainly a lot more political than religious, especially in the cities of the Republic and of NI but a religious undertone exists throughout the troubles. But to state that the troubles had nothing to do with religion displays a deeply ignorant lack of understanding of the history of the troubles. Sociology, religion and politics all fed into the troubles. To deny so is to expose oneself as a bit of an ignoramus.

I found this quite interesting:

http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/handle/2262/68556/v20n11988_2.pdf?sequence=1

 

[alfredmizen]

Oh, it's certainly a lot more political than religious, especially in the cities of the Republic and of NI but a religious undertone exists throughout the troubles. But to state that the troubles had nothing to do with religion displays a deeply ignorant lack of understanding of the history of the troubles.

I found this quite interesting:

http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/handle/2262/68556/v20n11988_2.pdf?sequence=1

i found it boring as f*ck

 

[vegster]

To create a socialist republic , nothing to do with religion , do your own fking research [emoji38]ol:

Calm down Alf, think of those Pipes of Peace.

 

[The Clamp]

i found it boring as f*ck

Yes. I thought you might. A bit silly to ask for an explanation then wasn't it.

 

[alfredmizen]

Yes. I thought you might. A bit silly to ask for an explanation then wasn't it.

What did you think of his point that a catholic nationalist ethnic group or bloc is one of the constituent elements of a culture of violence ?

 

[Bold Seagull]

We have to fight fascism wherever we find it. If that happens to be Islamic fascism, then it is Islamic fascism we have to fight. However, there has to be that distinction, the same distinction you would make politically has to be made religiously.

Fascism's aims, whether the extreme right / neo-nazis in the west, or that of religious fanaticism is the same, and is one of intolerance, discrimination, totalitarianism. The most notable difference being Islamic fascism's discrimination manifests itself as murder and incitement to murder, but certainly isn't limited to them as events in the US at Charlottesville can attest, or Breviek's spree in Norway.

There is a continual stifled debate because one side wants to lump the whole Islamic religion into one entity that is dealt with in some way, and so those who wish to enter into a critical discourse are labelled with that same discriminatory brush, and so the distinction and therefore the discourse evaporates.

Anyone who believes in multiculturalism, which I do as it happens, cannot entertain any faction within that which would seek to achieve any kind of discrimination between cultures, especially if that leads to an incitement to murder.

We have a real problem, intellectually, culturally and politically dealing with how to move forward as these threads in miniature demonstrate.

 

[alfredmizen]

Yes. I thought you might. A bit silly to ask for an explanation then wasn't it.

i asked for YOUR explanation , not a pdf that youve neither read nor understand .

 

[alfredmizen]

i asked for YOUR explanation , not a pdf that youve neither read nor understand .

[MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] busily skim reading the PDF to try to make some sense of it

 

[The Clamp]

i asked for YOUR explanation , not a pdf that youve neither read nor understand .

FYI, I have read and understood that and many other essays on the matter. You couldn't possibly have read that pdf in the time it took you to take the piss so, go away, read it properly and then we can discuss.
My opinion is that politics and lifestyle play a bigger role in the troubles than religion, especially in the last few decades. However, religion is a part of the equation. You want an explanantion, there are many resources online that provide one, the pdf I posted being one of them. Read it, you may learn something other than the party line children's guide to the troubles that would have been drummed into you in the forces.

 

[alfredmizen]

FYI, I have read and understood that and many other essays on the matter. You couldn't possibly have read that pdf in the time it took you to take the piss so, go away, read it properly and then we can discuss.
My opinion is that politics and lifestyle play a bigger role in the troubles than religion, especially in the last few decades. However, religion is a part of the equation. You want an explanantion, there are many resources online that provide one, the pdf I posted being one of them. Read it, you may learn something other than the party line children's guide to the troubles that would have been drummed into you in the forces.

I agree with your summation for what its worth , and you havent got a ****ing clue what was supposedl;y 'drummed into'' me in the forces , having a step father in the navy doesnt give you any sort of insight into the army whatsoever.

 

[The Clamp]

[MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] busily skim reading the PDF to try to make some sense of it

I read it some time ago.

As an aside, for someone to claim religion has no part in the troubles to then accuse anyone else of not understanding them, well, that just about sums you up.

 

[The Clamp]

I agree with your summation for what its worth , and you havent got a ****ing clue what was supposedl;y 'drummed into'' me in the forces , having a step father in the navy doesnt give you any sort of insight into the army whatsoever.

Step Father in the Navy? Sorry, genuinely don't know where you got that from.

I have a very clear knowledge of what the British troops in NI were told and what line they were instructed to take but that's by the by. You stated religion had nothing to do with the troubles. You are blatantly incorrect so for you to claim superior knowedge of the hsitory of the troubles is now ludicrous.

 

[alfredmizen]

Step Father in the Navy? Sorry, genuinely don't know where you got that from.

I have a very clear knowledge of what the British troops in NI were told and what line they were instructed to take.

yes nibble , a step father in the navy , a clear knowledge , let us in on the secret then ?

 

[Stat Brother]

We have a real problem, intellectually, culturally and politically dealing with how to move forward as these threads in miniature demonstrate.

Amen and, dare I say, Āmīn to that.

 

[The Clamp]

yes nibble , a step father in the navy , a clear knowledge , let us in on the secret then ?

Oh, I see. That old script. Well, you let me know when you grow up and we can have a discussion about NI and why I know a bit about it. Until then I suggest you get back to patting your other right wing flunkies on the back and pretending you know everything.

 

[Two Professors]

There seems to be some confusion between the IRA,and the Provisional IRA.The Provos are,for the main part,extreme left wing socialists who have no time for any religion.The original IRA that won independence for Eire were backed by the Catholic church,the Provos were backed by the Islamic extremist regime of Gadafi,and a few quid from Irish-Americans.



To get back to the OP,RIP to the latest victims of Islamic extremist terror,or mental illness.