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[Lord Bracknell]

Phone?

Essential?

Nah.

 

[Lammy]

Phone?

Essential?

Nah.

I was thinking along the lines of phoning around to get a job. To be honest I just reeled those off the top of my head if I stripe it back the the bear essentials we only need food and shelter.

 

[Lammy]

We'd probably all be happy.


I know that the system wouldn't work if everyone chose not to work, but that isn't the case. We have enough room to cater for what people want to do. If we gave up some of our defence budget, we could allow even more people to enjoy themselves.

So you would be happy to pay to watch Brighton play only to notice Kuipers sitting on the floor having a beer. He's happy and the others are there to do the work for him and he's getting paid so why not?

 

[Gwylan]

It's not Meade's Ball being selfish, it's Lammy and Caz with their "I'm all right,. so sod the rest of you" attitude that really stinks. I really don't understand why wanting to help others is selfish, that seems a perverse, almost 1984-like definition.

As MB points out, quite rightly, the amount of our taxes that goes towards benefits is minuscule and I have no objection to my taxes being spent like that.

And as he also pointed out, it's pretty crap living off the dole, that's the reason why so few people think that way So, asking what would happen if everyone wanted to live on benefits is a fatuous question, as it would be unlikely that many people would want to.

 

[caz99]

It's not Meade's Ball being selfish, it's Lammy and Caz with their "I'm all right,. so sod the rest of you" attitude that really stinks. I really don't understand why wanting to help others is selfish, that seems a perverse, almost 1984-like definition.

As MB points out, quite rightly, the amount of our taxes that goes towards benefits is minuscule and I have no objection to my taxes being spent like that.

And as he also pointed out, it's pretty crap living off the dole, that's the reason why so few people think that way So, asking what would happen if everyone wanted to live on benefits is a fatuous question, as it would be unlikely that many people would want to.

excuse me i never said sod the rest of them i said i dont like paying for people to sit on their arse. i will help with people who genuinely need help and i dont have a problem with that. i do however have a problem paying for people who cant be bothered to work like the rest of us have to survive it would be all to easy for me to sit on my jacksy and not do anything but i dont want to and i dont want to burden society.

so read my posts again then start having a go

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I honestly cannot believe selfish attitudes like this really exist!

I can't believe that so many get so wound up by a tiny minority exploiting the system. Any welfare safety net is going to be exploited . The only way to prevent this is to remove the net. Then the very people we are seeking to protect would lose out all for the sake of punishing a few idle loafers.

The key is striking a balance where the needy receive the help they need and the lazy are prevented from scrounging. In my view we have shifted too far towards preventing the cheats and lost site of the reason we have a welfare state.

I wish people would put as much effort into thinking about how to help people as they do about moaning. I know it's not going to happen though as so many people need to criticise societies bogeymen to justify their own shortcomings.

 

[Gwylan]

.. i do however have a problem paying for people who cant be bothered to work..

But that's excatly the atttude that I said is so selfish. Why should I read your posts again when you've just repeated yourself. I don't my taxes helping others; you do. If that's your attitude, fine. But don't act aggrived when it's pointed out that it's a selfsih way to live.

.. it would be all to easy for me to sit on my jacksy and not do anything but i dont want to and i dont want to burden society.

But it wouldn't be easy, that's precisely my point. It's a crap way to live and that's why I don't do it and you don't do it.

 

[London Calling]

excuse me i never said sod the rest of them i said i dont like paying for people to sit on their arse. i will help with people who genuinely need help and i dont have a problem with that. i do however have a problem paying for people who cant be bothered to work like the rest of us have to survive it would be all to easy for me to sit on my jacksy and not do anything but i dont want to and i dont want to burden society.

so read my posts again then start having a go

Really, If I didn't have to work I wouldn't.
In Europe they literally laugh at our"We must work attitude" and the fact that we do more hours than any other nation.

WE have a nation where the Capitalist supported by their Media friends have installed a low wage economy, where anyone who goes againgst the system, or is different is considered to a burden.

Well for what.

Our cheap skate economy provides us with low quality services, discrimination and resentment.

LC

 

[Meade's Ball]

It's not Meade's Ball being selfish, it's Lammy and Caz with their "I'm all right,. so sod the rest of you" attitude that really stinks. I really don't understand why wanting to help others is selfish, that seems a perverse, almost 1984-like definition.

As MB points out, quite rightly, the amount of our taxes that goes towards benefits is minuscule and I have no objection to my taxes being spent like that.

And as he also pointed out, it's pretty crap living off the dole, that's the reason why so few people think that way So, asking what would happen if everyone wanted to live on benefits is a fatuous question, as it would be unlikely that many people would want to.

Ta.


In general, the government work out the minimum that people can live on. I despised living on that minimum. It's depressing and you stagnate in every way imaginable. Being alive can't be about survival in the dripping depths of poverty.

 

[Lammy]

It's not Meade's Ball being selfish, it's Lammy and Caz with their "I'm all right,. so sod the rest of you" attitude that really stinks. I really don't understand why wanting to help others is selfish, that seems a perverse, almost 1984-like definition.

As MB points out, quite rightly, the amount of our taxes that goes towards benefits is minuscule and I have no objection to my taxes being spent like that.

And as he also pointed out, it's pretty crap living off the dole, that's the reason why so few people think that way So, asking what would happen if everyone wanted to live on benefits is a fatuous question, as it would be unlikely that many people would want to.

I think you're totally missing the point. MB said that it is perfectly Ok to not do anything and live off benefits if that is what makes them happy.

I don't think Caz or I have ever said sod the rest of you? The Benefit system is an absolute must in this country and I applaud it. However, benefit is there for the people that really need it. The people on benefit should be doing their utmost to try and get off it.

I am talking about people that make a concious decision not to work in order to live of the rest of us. This is ok in MB's eyes as long as they are happy. There are very few people that leap out of bed iin the morning and run to work. Work is hard and generally not that interesting (I guess that is why a lot of us are on here) but that is why you get paid for it.

Minimum wage jobs are usually entry level jobs. A lot of managers today started out on minimum wage jobs. I'm not saying that everyone will rise through the ranks but a lot will. There is also a great deal of training and appretaships available these days. Employment is very high. There are very few people that REALLY have no options open to them.

I suggest you get off your socialist high horse and actually read what people are saying rather than taking the high ground.

 

[Hunting 784561]

I don't think you should work. I'd rather you did whatever made you happy. If that's work, then fine.

Sorry, but this really is hippy horse-shit.

The next time youre ill and you go to see your Doctor, how would you feel he he told you to f*** off because he's not working any more, he doesn't feel like it ? Or an ambulance driver if you got run over in the street ? Or the teachers who teach your kids? Or the guys that work in power stations that provide our heat and light ?

If any of the above individuals chose not to work, because their 'individual happiness' was more important than the society they choose to live in, that society would soon collapse.

 

[Meade's Ball]

Employment is very high. There are very few people that REALLY have no options open to them.

It's obviously not much of a problem then.

And all the options mean working.

 

[Meade's Ball]

Sorry, but this really is hippy horse-shit.

The next time youre ill and you go to see your Doctor, how would you feel he he told you to f*** off because he's not working any more, he doesn't feel like it ? Or an ambulance driver if you got run over in the street ? Or the teachers who teach your kids? Or the guys that work in power stations that provide our heat and light ?

If any of the above individuals chose not to work, because their 'individual happiness' was more important than the society they choose to live in, that society would soon collapse.

But they do their jobs because they want to or feel dutybound to.
Why would a doctor give up their excellent pay for a life of misery on benefits?

You seem to be missing some of the point.

 

[Lammy]

So basically what you're saying then is I'm selfish for thinking that if you are able then you should work and contribute to the society that you live in. Yet if you decide not to work and accept a life on benefit then it is ok because the life you have chosen is a shit one anyway.

 

[Hunting 784561]

But they do their jobs because they want to or feel dutybound to.
Why would a doctor give up their excellent pay for a life of misery on benefits?

You seem to be missing some of the point.

So what youre saying is its OK for the Grown Ups to have to work hard, as long as you can opt out and go get stoned whenever you feel like it, just so long as you are happy ?

 

[caz99]

i think that is what he is saying yes. i cant really see his point otherwise

 

[Meade's Ball]

So basically what you're saying then is I'm selfish for thinking that if you are able then you should work and contribute to the society that you live in. Yet if you decide not to work and accept a life on benefit then it is ok because the life you have chosen is a shit one anyway.

I'm not saying you're selfish.

I just don't like the idea that we should all just suffer the tortuous regularity of working life or define our successes by our ability to pay taxes.
For me, the problems of society lie elsewhere. People wanting to live off the ardour of others may be a symptom, but it's not the problem.
I don't think it's an ideal situation, benefit fraud, but i honestly don't mind, considering the awful places that my taxes go.

 

[Lammy]

I'm not saying you're selfish.

I just don't like the idea that we should all just suffer the tortuous regularity of working life or define our successes by our ability to pay taxes.
For me, the problems of society lie elsewhere. People wanting to live off the ardour of others may be a symptom, but it's not the problem.
I don't think it's an ideal situation, benefit fraud, but i honestly don't mind, considering the awful places that my taxes go.

There seems to be two seperate argumnets here;

1) I don't mind benefit fraud as long as they are happy.

2) I don't care about benefit fraud because there aren't that many people doing it.

The first point is what you started out saying which is (as it was so well put) hippy horse shit.

The second point is valid. I'm aware that it isn't going to turn this country around if everyine towed the line but it does annoy me to think that people do it anyway. Just because not many people do it doesn't make it right.

 

[Meade's Ball]

So what youre saying is its OK for the Grown Ups to have to work hard, as long as you can opt out and go get stoned whenever you feel like it, just so long as you are happy ?

I don't get stoned and am a Grown Up.

Why should everyone have to do something shit just because you do? If some of my taxes can go on other people not having to do some of the shit things i've had to do, then great.
Ideally, this would mean moving some of my taxes from "defence" and bureacracy into an effective education system. But that's not going to happen.

 

[Meade's Ball]

There seems to be two seperate argumnets here;

1) I don't mind benefit fraud as long as they are happy.

2) I don't care about benefit fraud because there aren't that many people doing it.

The first point is what you started out saying which is (as it was so well put) hippy horse shit.

The second point is valid. I'm aware that it isn't going to turn this country around if everyine towed the line but it does annoy me to think that people do it anyway. Just because not many people do it doesn't make it right.

It's mine and Gwylan's Socialist Hippy High Horseshit Show.