[Football] Sutton United Ladies put their head above the parapet

[dsr-burnley]

Yep, the OP has even chosen to label them 'Sutton United Ladies'. Good grief!

How did the Brighton & Hove Albion Gentlemen get on at the weekend @Lenny Rider?

The armed forces have done a lot of study into hormone therapy treatments and the impact of gender reassignment and surgey on muscle loss and gain. Their studies show and equalling out, but only after a period of 3-4 years.

Studies are inconclusive on time ranges, but it shows that there is an equalling relating to cisgender people.

Fit Transitioning: When Can Transgender Airmen Fitness Test in Their Affirmed Gender?

ABSTRACTIntroduction. Transgender individuals have served openly in the U.S. Military since 2016. Official policies for transgender servicemembers continue

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The question is whether men and women should have the right to have biological categories. That then begs the question of what is a man and what is a woman?

If someone is painfully born into the wrong body, are you going to deny them the right to identify as the correct gender if they are prepared to undergo all the surgery required to reassign.

Also, in society in general - not sport and this thread aside - who cares if someone is a he, she, they, them, cis, bi, gay, trans? At some point in the future, I hope none of us give a toss what label we choose to use.

Does an average size male goalkeeper become an average size female goalkeeper after taking hormone therapy?

The question about whether men and women should have separate biological categories is easy. Answer either yes, keep things separate because women aren't as strong as men; or no, abolish the whole principle of women's sport. The answer is obviously yes (one would hope). A mishmash where men can choose either category is pointless.

 

[Clive Walker]

Funny how the anti-trans dinosaurs are suddenly all about ‘women’s rights’ despite most of them being knuckle-dragging sexists when around their mates down the pub.

Thats actually not very fair and I am the first to mock the knucle draggers when given a chance. But some of these people have children that are daughters. Why should they be disadvantaged?

Its a really tricky one but my feeling is a third league is the only fair outcome and given they way these types of events have accelerated in the last few years it won't be too long till its a possibility.

 

[Guinness Boy]

But this isn't just because of a ladies league game getting cancelled. It's a tiny part of a much bigger conversation that is taking place about protecting women in sport. Your comment about it being due to a 'bloke in a dress' is quite disgraceful to be honest and is quite revealing.

Which is why I put it in quotation marks. It's a social media trope that exists precisely because this is a battle in the culture wars.

 

[BrickTamland]

Ashamed? I’d be too.

 

[Wozza]

Hold on, does that Crawley women who celebrated O’Rileys injury play for this team too?!

Yep!

 

[BrickTamland]

Thats actually not very fair and I am the first to mock the knucle draggers when given a chance. But some of these people have children that are daughters. Why should they be disadvantaged?

Its a really tricky one but my feeling is a third league is the only fair outcome and given they way these types of events have accelerated in the last few years it won't be too long till its a possibility.

Possibly so, but the majority of the dialogue isn’t about facts or coming to any real compromise for the best of all parties (as you’ve attempted, as an adult, to do so)

Just real hate of something different.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Ashamed? I’d be too.

Me? Ashamed of supporting the rights of women in sport? Nope. It's your post that was shameful.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Possibly so, but the majority of the dialogue isn’t about facts or coming to any real compromise for the best of all parties (as you’ve attempted, as an adult, to do so)

Just real hate of something different.

Could you point me in the direction of any hate on here? I fully support Trans rights. But I also support women in their right for fairness. As I stated earlier - this is not about hate - it's about fairness.

 

[ROSM]

Gents (and Ladies) reading some of the responses are we not allowed to have a debate now? (How long before Sir Keir shuts down NSC, after he’s banned fags in beer gardens? )


It came up on my feed this morning, and many on here know boxing is also another sport I love and what went on in Paris was not only farcical but relevant to this subject.

Aside from their brief dalliance with the EFL, Sutton United are one of the most respected non league football clubs in the country, so for this issue to arrive at their door, it clearly will have people talking about (if we’re allowed to )

In the words of Chris Sutton. You're better than that sir.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Funny how the anti-trans dinosaurs are suddenly all about ‘women’s rights’ despite most of them being knuckle-dragging sexists when around their mates down the pub.

I'm not sure JK Rowling and Sharon Davies regularly share a boozer with knuckle dragging sexists if I'm honest.

 

[BrickTamland]

Me? Ashamed of supporting the rights of women in sport? Nope. It's your post that was shameful.

I haven’t read all your posts so don’t know where you stand but as you didn’t engage but just left a stupid emoji I presumed you couldn’t be rational.

These debates are just tiring and often led by the knuckle-dragging elements of society.

 

[BrickTamland]

I'm not sure JK Rowling and Sharon Davies regularly share a boozer with knuckle dragging sexists if I'm honest.

Funnily enough most of the blokes who probably agree with her opinions on the topic wouldn’t welcome her in the same boozer because of what’s between her legs.

Something they are obsessed with all of a sudden.

Whole thing is twisted

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

I haven’t read all your posts so don’t know where you stand but as you didn’t engage but just left a stupid emoji I presumed you couldn’t be rational.

These debates are just tiring and often led by the knuckle-dragging elements of society.

So you made your knuckle dragging comment without reading the thread. OK.

Anyway, I've nothing more to add here ... but just to confirm ... I support trans rights but I also support women's rights in sport.

 

[BrickTamland]

So you made your knuckle dragging comment without reading the thread. OK.

Anyway, I've nothing more to add here ... but just to confirm ... I support trans rights but I also support women's rights in sport.

If you’re not anti-trans then the comment didn’t apply to you did it? Unfortunately this place (and the internet in general) is full of this type of hypocrisy and hate and it deserves to be called out.

But I’ll leave it from here. Not the place for it

 

[beorhthelm]

detail lost in the usual back and forth that it was the Sutton players that didnt want to turn out with the goalkeeper, so they couldn't field a team. a lot of people seem to want to overlook that a large group of women object to transgenderism. they often get called names, forced out of communities or jobs for that view. it's not just an issue drummed up by the Mail and some male right wing warriors.

 

[Curious Orange]

Without weighing in too heavily on such a sensitive subject. Why do we think the average female is in goal for Sutton Ladies?

We don't, a 6' male is playing in goal for Sutton United.

By comparison, England goal keeper, Mary Earps, is 5' 8", and Brighton & Hove Albion goalkeeper, Sophie Baggaley, is 5'6".

 

[m20gull]

These debates are just tiring and often led by the knuckle-dragging elements of society.

... on both sides of the argument. There is a rational discussion to be had but it's almost impossible. In the meantime female athletes are being treated unfairly with little recourse or sympathy.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I'm assuming the other team are free to sign trans players if they think it will give them an advantage? Maybe they should look into that, too?

*ducks out of binfest, too*

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Thats actually not very fair and I am the first to mock the knucle draggers when given a chance. But some of these people have children that are daughters. Why should they be disadvantaged?

Its a really tricky one but my feeling is a third league is the only fair outcome and given they way these types of events have accelerated in the last few years it won't be too long till its a possibility.

Yep. If you have an unfair advantage if you are biologically male (the 'beneficiary' of the testosterone burst during puberty) then it isn't fair to be allowed to compete with women. End of discussion.

Unfortunately some folk may be better versed in civil rights than in biology, advocating for impractical equality. But.....apart from the footballer herself, is there really a 'lobby' promoting the idea that trans women should be afforded all the sporting rights available to biological women? One with impact and traction?

Nah. There isn't. This this a silly thread and the OP really needs to give this sort of thing a rest.

Of course there will be some people out there accusing folk of being transphobic for not backing the goalie. Just as there were people out there accusing The Albion of racism when we sacked Chris Hughton.

Such opinions don't matter, and one reacts 'noisily' to them only if one has an axe to grind oneself (that axe being transphobia and racism, respectively; "look at 'those' people, playing the gender/race card").

 

[Withdean South Stand]

In the words of Chris Sutton. You're better than that sir.

He's proven that he's not time and again - usually on this type of subject. This is a hateful thread, posted to be hateful and knowing what would follow.