Sudan,teacher charged.

[HampshireSeagulls]

I think you're out of order! Completely!

BAG has very eloquently stated her case, and as far as I see it she hasn't ever agreed with the punishment that is given out. Simply stated, as is the truth, that the teacher in that country is bound by the laws of that country.

We can all debate til the cows come home how much we hate their laws and what an abuse of human nature they are, but that is what they are. Their laws. She named an innanimate object after the prophet Mohammed. That is illegal. She is now facing the stated punishment. The same way drug trafficing in Thailand is dealt with.

Debate the fact that the law is ridiculous or the punishment is archaic and dispicable, but it exists and thats all BAG is saying. You travel to another country with knowledge, you run the risk of falling foul.

I think the problem is that people would be happier if we to take the same approach to people who broke the laws in our country. Actually, we should be emulating these countries that are not afraid to exert the full force of their own law, no matter what it may be, on people who choose to live and work there. If we weren't so over-run with the lower life forms that are human rights lawyers, perhaps we would be able to simply turn round and actually apply some justice in this country? We have seen how limp-wristed this country is when it comes to prosecuting foreign nationals who break the law, incite hatred, etc, and I think there is probably an element of this in our outrage. Granted, the punishment in some of these countries seems to far outweigh the crime, but consider that in this country you can get a longer sentence for kicking a dog than for killing a child....

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Where have they questioned our laws / values? It's questionable that the sudanese gvt care about anything outside their borders.

I agree that it is excessive. In a country like Sudan you wont get a fair trial.... if you're sudanese. There's a lot of pressure from the outside world about recinding the charge, and i'd imagine she will probably get let off at the end of the day anyway. If you look to the law she is guilty for it. That's not a problem with her - it's a problem of the law in question, which does need to change, but at this very moment, it remains a law.

The clerics in sudan will always say that - just look at the darfur region for how tyrannous they are. At the moment, it's very fashionable for the "Christians" to be against the "muslims" and they were bound to jump on the Western vs rest of the world bandwagon. It's no surprise.

I dont think there will be a WW3 - there's too much at stake now. It's Mutual Assured Destruction.

Laura your a bright Girl, a work of advice put your spade away and stop digging on this one, you are getting deeper and deeper in and I am afraid you are way out of kilter on this one.

 

[Curious Orange]

I haven't seen a thread as hysterical as this one, and I don't mean funny by the way, in quite a while.

What I don't understand about the whole situation is why the children who both suggested and then voted to call the bear Mohammed haven't also been arrested. The name wasn't the teachers choice, it was theirs, surely they can't be ignorant of the law in their own country can they?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Where,s BROWN ? He,s got going,that what he does.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

SEND in the SAS.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Its a little harsh isn't it. This business thats its the law so its up to them , the Nazi's as said had a law where all jews had to wear the star of david and had kristelnacht where germans were told to go and destroy jewish properties and beat up jews, south africa had a law called apartheid whereby black people could not travel on the same bus as a white person, maybe we should have all said " nothing to do with me guv " and turned a blind eye then as well, these islamic laws are abhorent

 

[tedebear]

I think the problem is that people would be happier if we to take the same approach to people who broke the laws in our country. Actually, we should be emulating these countries that are not afraid to exert the full force of their own law, no matter what it may be, on people who choose to live and work there. If we weren't so over-run with the lower life forms that are human rights lawyers, perhaps we would be able to simply turn round and actually apply some justice in this country? We have seen how limp-wristed this country is when it comes to prosecuting foreign nationals who break the law, incite hatred, etc, and I think there is probably an element of this in our outrage. Granted, the punishment in some of these countries seems to far outweigh the crime, but consider that in this country you can get a longer sentence for kicking a dog than for killing a child....

Good point indeed! I do get quite annoyed at the intervention in our own legal system by "human rights" lawyers, by various newspaper campaigns etc.. so I agree entirely.

 

[tedebear]

Laura your a bright Girl, a work of advice put your spade away and stop digging on this one, you are getting deeper and deeper in and I am afraid you are way out of kilter on this one.

Hang on US, all Laura is doing is stating the facts and the law in that country. I fail to see how she is advocating it, agreeing with it or otherwise. I think you all need to step back and see that.

Yes lets debate how abhorent these sentences are, yes lets dabate how stupid the law is, but don't patronise Laura by telling her she's digging a hole when all she has done is said that the teacher broke a law that she should have known about and is being punished in their agreed method. Thats all - Laura hasn't agreed to it, nor has she condoned it. I think you are all being a little harsh to Laura here.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

But that's the thing. A packet of polos stolen can (and has) had people arrested and cautioned. It's absurd in your eyes, but is a serious offence in others. That's the way it is.

I'm planning to do aid work in the future in the likes of Sudan once I have qualified as a nurse, and I will do my homework of the laws and cultures that I will come across before I get there. It doesnt mean that I will agree with them, however you have got to accept them and abide by them.

Apoligies for using the most extreme of examples, Laura, but if in one of these countries you were (heaven forbid) attacked at knifepoint and sexually assaulted by a group of men, would you gladly 'accept' the subsequent punishment (stoning or lashes) for YOUR crime?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Hang on US, all Laura is doing is stating the facts and the law in that country. I fail to see how she is advocating it, agreeing with it or otherwise. I think you all need to step back and see that.

Yes lets debate how abhorent these sentences are, yes lets dabate how stupid the law is, but don't patronise Laura by telling her she's digging a hole when all she has done is said that the teacher broke a law that she should have known about and is being punished in their agreed method. Thats all - Laura hasn't agreed to it, nor has she condoned it. I think you are all being a little harsh to Laura here.

Just a friendly word thats all from someone who knows when their onto a loser

 

[tedebear]

Just a friendly word thats all from someone who knows when their onto a loser

I still can't see how stating the facts entitles you to say shes "onto a loser"...

 

[tedebear]

Apoligies for using the most extreme of examples, Laura, but if in one of these countries you were (heaven forbid) attacked at knifepoint and sexually assaulted by a group of men, would you gladly 'accept' the subsequent punishment (stoning or lashes) for YOUR crime?

But the men do that as response to an action the women is "supposed" to have made? ie adultery... Foreign aid workers also have certain protections as long as they follow certain protocols.

 

[Questions]

I think the problem is that people would be happier if we to take the same approach to people who broke the laws in our country. Actually, we should be emulating these countries that are not afraid to exert the full force of their own law, no matter what it may be, on people who choose to live and work there. If we weren't so over-run with the lower life forms that are human rights lawyers, perhaps we would be able to simply turn round and actually apply some justice in this country? We have seen how limp-wristed this country is when it comes to prosecuting foreign nationals who break the law, incite hatred, etc, and I think there is probably an element of this in our outrage. Granted, the punishment in some of these countries seems to far outweigh the crime, but consider that in this country you can get a longer sentence for kicking a dog than for killing a child....

Thats top end Daily mail stuff that.


You will of course remind us all of the 2 cases you have in mind..... i.e. The child killer getting a lighter sentence than the dog kicker.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Hang on US, all Laura is doing is stating the facts and the law in that country. I fail to see how she is advocating it, agreeing with it or otherwise. I think you all need to step back and see that.

Yes lets debate how abhorent these sentences are, yes lets dabate how stupid the law is, but don't patronise Laura by telling her she's digging a hole when all she has done is said that the teacher broke a law that she should have known about and is being punished in their agreed method. Thats all - Laura hasn't agreed to it, nor has she condoned it. I think you are all being a little harsh to Laura here.

Thankyou! I'm glad someone understood me!

 

[Questions]

Thankyou! I'm glad someone understood me!

Its only girls sticking together.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

It's their country, and they are entitled to their own laws, no matter how "dark ages" we think they are. They no doubt think some of our laws are ridiculous. If she was working out there for an agency, and is "well travelled" then she should have been at the very least a little bit aware of the sensitivities involved. She's unfortunate in that she appears to have been targetted by a jealous fellow teacher, and a more considered response should have been taken by the Government (a quiet word, perhaps, followed by removal from the country). It offends our sense of "fair play" in that we can't understand how they can take it so seriously. In the Far East, they are amazed that we tolerate such incredible levels of incompetence from the Government and do not prosecute them - or why they do not show a semblance of honour and resign or even commit suicide, as happens in some Far Eastern countries when a politician loses their honour.

As for the girl who was gang-raped and then sent to jail, they have now justified this by saying that she has "confessed" to having an affair anyway...

 

[DJ Leon]

Laura your a bright Girl, a work of advice put your spade away and stop digging on this one, you are getting deeper and deeper in and I am afraid you are way out of kilter on this one.

Patronising and wrong in one go!

BAG has stated her case well and I agree with her. She hasn't once said that this is possibly a right and fair punishment for the 'crime', she's merely said that she's broken the law in that country and shouldn't be surprised to be punished accordingly. The moral outrage is coming from everyone who's saying how wrong it is. Well I agree, but it's not my country! And Islamic law is one of the reasons I would never go to a country like that! Where's the controversy about what BAG has said?

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

It's their country, and they are entitled to their own laws, no matter how "dark ages" we think they are. They no doubt think some of our laws are ridiculous. If she was working out there for an agency, and is "well travelled" then she should have been at the very least a little bit aware of the sensitivities involved. She's unfortunate in that she appears to have been targetted by a jealous fellow teacher, and a more considered response should have been taken by the Government (a quiet word, perhaps, followed by removal from the country). It offends our sense of "fair play" in that we can't understand how they can take it so seriously. In the Far East, they are amazed that we tolerate such incredible levels of incompetence from the Government and do not prosecute them - or why they do not show a semblance of honour and resign or even commit suicide, as happens in some Far Eastern countries when a politician loses their honour.

Now that's what i was trying to say, but far less eloquently!

 

[tedebear]

Its only girls sticking together.

Its only because some of you men seem to have jumped on the train to hysteria central without checking what you should be hysterical about!

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Laura your a bright Girl, a work of advice put your spade away and stop digging on this one, you are getting deeper and deeper in and I am afraid you are way out of kilter on this one.

Girl? I'm a woman, i've had my period for many years now! Thanks for your patronising comment, but I can cope by myself thankyou very much.