[Politics] Stop the boats

[Flagship]

Which bit of this is crap? Are you saying that the UN are wrong, and that child poverty levels in the UK are 'acceptable'? Or are you saying that the government's own figures that those living in poverty have risen are wrong - or maybe you're saying that it's not a bit crap that the numbers of people living in poverty have increased??

UK ‘in violation of international law’ over poverty levels, says UN envoy

Exclusive: Special rapporteur Olivier De Schutter to urge ministers to increase welfare spending on visit to country this week

www.theguardian.com

Child poverty isn't being helped in this country by letting in100k + illegal immigrants is it?
Poverty struck children in this country have civil rights too.

 

[chickens]

Child poverty isn't being helped in this country by letting in100k + illegal immigrants is it?
Poverty struck children in this country have civil rights too.

So, your argument appears to be that we either can’t or shouldn’t implement any form of social safety net (or presumably any other form of policy) until we’ve reduced illegal immigration to zero? I’m sorry, but that’s a nonsense.

Why do you think illegal immigration has risen so dramatically under this Conservative government?

 

[BadFish]

Child poverty isn't being helped in this country by letting in100k + illegal immigrants is it?
Poverty struck children in this country have civil rights too.

You must be so pissed off with the last 13 years of Tory governance.

They really have f***ed it, haven't they?

Hopefully, you won't be sitting on your hands at the next election and take the opportunity to vote them out.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

The main thing in his favour is there is no obvious alternative with enough backing to topple him. Boris is gone. Braverman only has a handful of backers. Farage is hiding in the Aussie outback. The only credible alternative leader is probably Mourdant, and she’s seemingly vanished into the ether. Barring an incredible turnaround, the likelihood is the Tories will be out of power after the next election, and so why take the job now and lead them to defeat when you can wait 12 months and be the one to “lead them back to the promised land”?

Ego?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So, your argument appears to be that we either can’t or shouldn’t implement any form of social safety net (or presumably any other form of policy) until we’ve reduced illegal immigration to zero? I’m sorry, but that’s a nonsense.

Why do you think illegal immigration has risen so dramatically under this Conservative government?

It’s the big lie that every Tory perpetuates at the moment. All that’s wrong with this country can be blamed on immigrants, legal or illegal. It’s why the Home Office isn’t processing asylum applications, because tax payers money is being spent on hotel owners, who happen to be Tory donors.
Instead of looking at public schoolboys, who haven’t got a clue what it’s like to be poor (Rishi Sunak) with 12 homes, or claiming expenses to warm their horses, they look at brown or black people who are coming here to simultaneously claim our benefits and steal our jobs.
Billionaire newspaper owners, who live abroad, who don’t pay a penny in tax, have convinced some people, that immigrants are the problem.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You haven't made the mistake that somehow the whole 'narcissistic orgy©Dominic Cummings - Covid inquiry' at the heart of Government stopped with Johnson, or Truss, or Johnson's second in command throughout the whole clusterf***, Sunak ?

Sunak, let's remember, had been in parliament 4 whole years before Johnson decided he was the blue-eyed boy and promoted him. His only experience of Government is in the aforementioned and unsurprisingly continuing 'narcissistic orgy'.

Johnson, Cummings, Hancock, Patel, Truss, Kwarteng, and Braverman come and go, It's funny how given any 'narcissistic orgy' Rishi always seems come out on top

Me? Make a mistake? Noooooooo!
I am quite surprised he has come out soooo hard. After Braverman said there wasn’t a plan B, then Robert Jenrick last night on Newsnight saying they’ve been working on this for months, so Suella was lying through her teeth!
Victoria Derbyshire was clearly furious when interviewing Jenrick, who said one thing in one sentence then completely contradicted it in the next, and Mrs DiS and I were shouting at the TV in her support.

 

[Flagship]

It’s the big lie that every Tory perpetuates at the moment. All that’s wrong with this country can be blamed on immigrants, legal or illegal. It’s why the Home Office isn’t processing asylum applications, because tax payers money is being spent on hotel owners, who happen to be Tory donors.
Instead of looking at public schoolboys, who haven’t got a clue what it’s like to be poor (Rishi Sunak) with 12 homes, or claiming expenses to warm their horses, they look at brown or black people who are coming here to simultaneously claim our benefits and steal our jobs.
Billionaire newspaper owners, who live abroad, who don’t pay a penny in tax, have convinced some people, that immigrants are the problem.

You don't seem to like anyone who is successful. Don't be bitter.

 

[Flagship]

You must be so pissed off with the last 13 years of Tory governance.

They really have f***ed it, haven't they?

Hopefully, you won't be sitting on your hands at the next election and take the opportunity to vote them out.

I can't wait to see what a mess the Labour party will make. They bust the country last time and they will do it again if they win. Be honest.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

A great thread showing client journalism up for the propaganda that it is.

 

[BadFish]

I can't wait to see what a mess the Labour party will make. They bust the country last time and they will do it again if they win. Be honest.

You can't wait?

That's a bit odd isn't it?

The way I see it, you don't really have a great choice in government. Neither of the main parties have any respect for the electorate because they electorate will vote of them despite their poor policies and horrendous leadership.

Until the electorate hold parties accountable it will continue.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Child poverty isn't being helped in this country by letting in100k + illegal immigrants is it?
Poverty struck children in this country have civil rights too.

You really don't understand how actually processing the backlog of asylum seekers whilst they are abroad, getting those approved into Britain and working paying taxes whilst not allowing those in who fail, whilst saving all the money spent on Rwanda, Barges, Hostels, Hotels, Supreme Court Cases, etc will help Poverty stuck children in this country ?

You're just having us all on with a wind up, aren't you

Aren't you ?

 

[Barnet Seagull]

Child poverty isn't being helped in this country by letting in100k + illegal immigrants is it?
Poverty struck children in this country have civil rights too.

a) asylum seeking is legal.
b) if asylum seekers were allowed to work whilst their case was being reviewed, they'd contribute to the economy, help us grow and pay tax. (this is the old system)

The classification of "illegal immigrants" and not allowing them to work is a political choice.

Additionally, we had better controls of borders in the EU so this is a problem of our own making.

Child poverty is also a political choice. The government can find billions for Covid which they've syphoned off to their cronies but aren't prepared to support the very poorest people in our own country.

Meanwhile they'll happily remove the cap on bankers bonuses, look after their corporate chums and their own self-interests

 

[drew]

I can't wait to see what a mess the Labour party will make. They bust the country last time and they will do it again if they win. Be honest.

 

[drew]

a) asylum seeking is legal.
b) if asylum seekers were allowed to work whilst their case was being reviewed, they'd contribute to the economy, help us grow and pay tax. (this is the old system)

The classification of "illegal immigrants" and not allowing them to work is a political choice.

Additionally, we had better controls of borders in the EU so this is a problem of our own making.

Child poverty is also a political choice. The government can find billions for Covid which they've syphoned off to their cronies but aren't prepared to support the very poorest people in our own country.

Meanwhile they'll happily remove the cap on bankers bonuses, look after their corporate chums and their own self-interests

Ignore him, he's just a troll.

 

[drew]

Quick reminder when you hear any number of Tory MPs come out and claim the public want this / that / the other

Those pollsters obviously got in touch with the wrong silent majority.

 

[chickens]

You don't seem to like anyone who is successful. Don't be bitter.

Is it successful to run a country into the ground in full public view? To focus on dog whistle politics and angering the electorate, dropping any pretence of human decency or morality?

That’s not my definition of success, and if you look at this government and see success, I’d be interested in knowing where?

Could you give me one metric by which you measure the country to have been improved since Labour last left power?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

You don't seem to like anyone who is successful. Don't be bitter.

It’s much easier to be successful if mummy and daddy are spending tens of thousands on your education every year, you went to the “right” school and daddy has connections.
I speak as a grammar school boy who went to Oxford and a college at that time (early 1970s) which had the second highest private education intake in the University at 80%.
To be fair, I have friends who have done very well for themselves by dint of their own talent and hard work, there were others who just oozed privilege and wouldn’t have been able to get anywhere had it not been for the parental connections.

 

[nicko31]

I can't wait to see what a mess the Labour party will make. They bust the country last time and they will do it again if they win. Be honest.

Just look at the Tories record, soaring debt, minimal economic growth, self imposed trade sanctions whilst simultaneously running down public services. Quite a feat…

It won’t be easy for Labour this lot have brought the country to its knees

 

[Eric the meek]

Those pollsters obviously got in touch with the wrong silent majority.

I'm wondering how the Tories know what the silent majority are thinking, when they're silent?

 

[FIVESTEPS]

Just look at the Tories record, soaring debt, minimal economic growth, self imposed trade sanctions whilst simultaneously running down public services. Quite a feat…

It won’t be easy for Labour this lot have brought the country to its knees

Agree last they took over a thriving economy and brought it to its knees were will we end up this time round.