[Politics] Starmer press conference at 7

[Pretty pink fairy]

Eat sleep repeat

Regards
DF

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He’s extremely popular within his own party.

Whilst he’s still useful. He’ll be gone very quickly when he becomes a liability.

 

[beorhthelm]

We’re you born a clairvoyant or did you develop it?
I’m no Corbyn supporter but you haven’t got the foggiest idea of how he would’ve handled it, and neither have I.

sure we do. he'll have established the Committee of Covid Circulation Prevention, meeting each day for simple operational matters (decisions made by majority) and twice weekly for strategic matters (decisions by two thirds majority). lockdown would have been imposed on any town with more than an arbitary number of cases, decided by the local county health commissioner, and vaccines made mandatory. the railways would be nationalised, and banks have a covid levy imposed.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Rumour is some ministers are resigning tomorrow over passports.

That won’t help

All Starmer had to do was patriotically support HMG over plan B. No sideswipes, no 'playing politics'. And he did it elegantly.

Now he can sit back and watch as the tories knife one another.

And someone, above, (a life long tory) is hankering for Andy Burn Them! ? OK, mate

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

sure we do. he'll have established the Committee of Covid Circulation Prevention, meeting each day for simple operational matters (decisions made by majority) and twice weekly for strategic matters (decisions by two thirds majority). lockdown would have been imposed on any town with more than an arbitary number of cases, decided by the local county health commissioner, and vaccines made mandatory. the railways would be nationalised, and banks have a covid levy imposed.

Aw. Now your making me feel nostalgic for the little bearded wizzard. That would of been a great strategy

 

[Westdene Seagull]

saw a Union Jack and that was bit confusing.

Love the carefully placed Union Jack.

I didn't bother watching I'm afraid, bad citizen, but I assume it took place on a Royal Navy Frigate ?

 

[rippleman]

Today is a lost opportunity for the Labour Party.

If HM Opposition opposed the government today, Johnson would have got such a shoeing I have no doubt that the wheels would have been put in motion to oust the odious, corrupt, lying Prime Minister and his government.

Starmer has never really effectively opposed the government on anything of significance. It may be that he sees Labour's best chance of winning the next GE by propping up Johnson. That is an extremely dangerous position to take as none of us know what further damage a Johnson government could do over the next 3-4 years.

Supporting this corrupt and morally bankrupt government is one of the Labour Party's darkest days.

 

[Guinness Boy]

sure we do. he'll have established the Committee of Covid Circulation Prevention, meeting each day for simple operational matters (decisions made by majority) and twice weekly for strategic matters (decisions by two thirds majority). lockdown would have been imposed on any town with more than an arbitary number of cases, decided by the local county health commissioner, and vaccines made mandatory. the railways would be nationalised, and banks have a covid levy imposed.

You've heard of his brother, Piers, right?

 

[dazzer6666]

Whilst he’s still useful. He’ll be gone very quickly when he becomes a liability.

Exactly……….as soon as that tipping point is reached they’ll turn on him. Up to 80 planning on rebelling today is the ‘start of the end’ perhaps.

 

[sparkie]

I loved Starmer had a union flag up. A nice way to blunt Johnson's Culture War strategy.

 

[beorhthelm]

Today is a lost opportunity for the Labour Party.

If HM Opposition opposed the government today, Johnson would have got such a shoeing I have no doubt that the wheels would have been put in motion to oust the odious, corrupt, lying Prime Minister and his government.

Starmer has never really effectively opposed the government on anything of significance. It may be that he sees Labour's best chance of winning the next GE by propping up Johnson. That is an extremely dangerous position to take as none of us know what further damage a Johnson government could do over the next 3-4 years.

Supporting this corrupt and morally bankrupt government is one of the Labour Party's darkest days.

not at all. Labour rightly dont want to vote against something they support doing. they cant vote against then call for restrictions as they have been.

 

[beorhthelm]

I didn't bother watching I'm afraid, bad citizen, but I assume it took place on a Royal Navy Frigate ?

the Flag Institute, citing the Admiralty and Parliament, say Union Jack is perfectly valid name.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Today is a lost opportunity for the Labour Party.

If HM Opposition opposed the government today, Johnson would have got such a shoeing I have no doubt that the wheels would have been put in motion to oust the odious, corrupt, lying Prime Minister and his government.

Starmer has never really effectively opposed the government on anything of significance. It may be that he sees Labour's best chance of winning the next GE by propping up Johnson. That is an extremely dangerous position to take as none of us know what further damage a Johnson government could do over the next 3-4 years.

Supporting this corrupt and morally bankrupt government is one of the Labour Party's darkest days.

Interesting. So you consider that Starmer failed in his task to play politics?

In contrast I thought he did the statesman-like thing.

Meanwhile we will now have a tremendous tory split that will have them hamstrung from now on.

Opposing HMG by teaming up with the hairy-arse libertarian wing of the tory party, one of who accused a BBC interviewer and Boris of recreating Nazi Germany via plan B, would have been wrong on every level.

Your final conclusion, therefore is absurd. Sorry

 

[Super Steve Earle]

I don’t recall him using that word in this Press Conference, which is what this thread is about.

And I would doubt whether he himself has ever used the word in either recent or, in fact, any exchanges with Her Majesty’s Givernment.

You know very well that I was responding to a specific sentence posted as part of this thread. The sentence was 'I think the Starmer one was to show that the Labour Party are the only grown ups in the room.' And, not unreasonably, I questioned if name calling is appropriate behaviour from the grown ups.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Exactly……….as soon as that tipping point is reached they’ll turn on him. Up to 80 planning on rebelling today is the ‘start of the end’ perhaps.

Back to the hairy-arse libertarian tory backbencher clown on the radio, earlier. He thinks a covid passport is an affront. When asked 'what about people who want to go in a pub and it is full of unvaccinated people' his reply was 'well, don't go, then'.

The libertarian solution for people at risk of death from Covid, frightened of people wandering about unvaccinated, is Stay At Home.

This is what we are up against.

The idea that labour should line up behind these disgraceful people, just to embarrass Boris, is grotesque.

Starmer has absolutely done the right thing, and done it absolutely the right way.

 

[keaton]

Back to the hairy-arse libertarian tory backbencher clown on the radio, earlier. He thinks a covid passport is an affront. When asked 'what about people who want to go in a pub and it is full of unvaccinated people' his reply was 'well, don't go, then'.

The libertarian solution for people at risk of death from Covid, frightened of people wandering about unvaccinated, is Stay At Home.

This is what we are up against.

The idea that labour should line up behind these disgraceful people, just to embarrass Boris, is grotesque.

Starmer has absolutely done the right thing, and done it absolutely the right way.

Is this the same one who was wittering on about "why should night clubs have to verify anything before letting a person in"? He's never been turned away by the Paradox for not having smart shoes and a shirt with a collar.

 

[WATFORD zero]

sure we do. he'll have established the Committee of Covid Circulation Prevention, meeting each day for simple operational matters (decisions made by majority) and twice weekly for strategic matters (decisions by two thirds majority). lockdown would have been imposed on any town with more than an arbitary number of cases, decided by the local county health commissioner, and vaccines made mandatory. the railways would be nationalised, and banks have a covid levy imposed.

Aw. Now your making me feel nostalgic for the little bearded wizzard. That would of been a great strategy

He's making me feel nostalgic for the often maligned but comparatively balanced political views of JCFG

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Interesting. So you consider that Starmer failed in his task to play politics?

In contrast I thought he did the statesman-like thing.

Meanwhile we will now have a tremendous tory split that will have them hamstrung from now on.

Opposing HMG by teaming up with the hairy-arse libertarian wing of the tory party, one of who accused a BBC interviewer and Boris of recreating Nazi Germany via plan B, would have been wrong on every level.

You final conclusion, therefore is absurd. Sorry

Starmer is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He supports the proposals for the good of the nation ( in his mind - but that's a different debate ) and will get accused of siding with Boris. He opposes them to help bring down Boris, he ties his hands of using the same, probably necessary, measures should he become PM after bringing Boris down ( and be accused of playing politics ).

 

[WATFORD zero]

Starmer is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He supports the proposals for the good of the nation ( in his mind - but that's a different debate ) and will get accused of siding with Boris. He opposes them to help bring down Boris, he ties his hands of using the same, probably necessary, measures should he become PM after bringing Boris down.

But we all know which party will bring Johnson down and it won't be Starmer's

 

[Bold Seagull]

Today is a lost opportunity for the Labour Party.

If HM Opposition opposed the government today, Johnson would have got such a shoeing I have no doubt that the wheels would have been put in motion to oust the odious, corrupt, lying Prime Minister and his government.

Starmer has never really effectively opposed the government on anything of significance. It may be that he sees Labour's best chance of winning the next GE by propping up Johnson. That is an extremely dangerous position to take as none of us know what further damage a Johnson government could do over the next 3-4 years.

Supporting this corrupt and morally bankrupt government is one of the Labour Party's darkest days.

Completely disagree. Public health is at stake, absolutely the right thing to do is to vote with the measures not the government.

If Tory MPs do rebel in numbers, and this legislation gets through on Labour - that is a huge blow to the government, potentially bigger than an overall defeat. If Labour voted against, you may well have the situation where Labour gets blamed for putting public health at stake - absolutely no need for them to put themselves in that position.