Star Wars: The Force Awakens - with Spoilers - discussion thread

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Reading this thread reminds me of why soooo many men are considered to be dull anoraks by women. What's wrong with going to the cinema and enjoying the film for what it is? The answers to all of the questions posed on here will come out as the story evolves. Just sit there and let the Director and actors tell it for you.

 

[Algernon]

 

[deenomeet]

Has nobody considered that Rey may have been one of the youngsters Luke was training. Could have had enough training to harvest the force, but too young to remember.

 

[Triggaaar]

I have no idea what that lot above me are on about.

No worries, see you in 18 months for episode 8.

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So you posted '...' twice?

Secondly for a highly trained Stormtrooper, thought Captain Phasma lowering the shield in that manner was bit of a cop out.

Agreed. She should have grabbed Finn by the throat, maybe lifted him up - and not released him until Han shot her in the arm or leg, while making some comment about what a good shot from a blaster will do. She's supposed to be the baddest of the bad Stormtroopers.

to further the above discussion ice read couple of rumours that Hayden Christianson has and is filming sentences for the next one.

You're going to have to try harder than that

Chewy and Hans Solo stole all the funny lines though.

Certainly not all of the funny moments. Finn and BB-8 I liked when Finn came around and asked Rey if she was ok, and she looked at him like he was an idiot and said 'yeah',before helping him up.

Film was good, perhaps too complex for some younger viewers to follow perhaps but maybe they didn't need to follow it all to enjoy it?

My young ones enjoyed it, but then the force is strong in my family.

I watched in 3D, thought it was bloody amazing.I even managed to follow the story! Does this make me a Jedi?

Yeah, sure it does, well done. See you in 18 months for episode 8. May the force be with you etc.

Reading this thread reminds me of why soooo many men are considered to be dull anoraks by women.

Jesus, this is a football forum, so that could apply to every thread. Speak for yourself though, I can manage more than one trait to my personality (thankfully).

What's wrong with going to the cinema and enjoying the film for what it is?

Nothing. What's wrong with enjoying it so much you want to talk to others about it some time?

Presumably you feel the same about football - you should go and enjoy it for what it is, then go and enjoy the next game, without discussing it.

 

[Triggaaar]

Has nobody considered that Rey may have been one of the youngsters Luke was training. Could have had enough training to harvest the force, but too young to remember.

Whether she's Luke's daughter or not, that's possible. He could have rescued her and dropped her off on Jakku before leaving, but you'd expect her to remember something by the age a youngling would be - maybe Luke used to force to make her forget?

 

[clapham_gull]

I was really looking forward to this but came away quite disappointed. Silly coincidences bringing the characters together and some odd shoe horned appearances. Some of the plot just jarred. I hate it in the cienema when I wish I could rewind because something doesn't fit together.

To be honest I booked very early when only 3D was available and I'm one of those people who find it very irritating to watch.

Felt like a bit of a cop out basically remaking the first film. The "greatest hits" approach worked much better with the last James Bond.

 

[deenomeet]

I think this is the only possibility if she isn't Lukes daughter. She clearly wasn't aware that she could be related. If she was his daughter I struggle to believe that Luke wouldn't have her already at his side. He would have rescued her.

 

[deenomeet]

Also the standoff at the end was too long. If they were father and daughter they would have known. Particually with his sabre factored in.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Just seen it.

Not very impressed I'm afraid. 6/10

This is a 'cover version' of the original, could they not have got a group of brilliant writers to develop a new plot and storyline?

The badies having a sense of humour meant I was not scared of them for one minute.

Snork or snook or snarf - what an awful CGI villian.

Well casted but made for fans who just want the same film. I wanted something new so i guess i shouldn't have gone to see it. And Carrie Fisher's face has been surgically fixed to one expression. How sad.

As others have said, why were Ray & Finn so adept with the light sabre having never been trained in it's use (well maybe Ray was at the temple).

Defeat by Boro and now this - what a shite weekend!

 

[clapham_gull]

Just seen it.

Not very impressed I'm afraid. 6/10

This is a 'cover version' of the original, could they not have got a group of brilliant writers to develop a new plot and storyline?

The badies having a sense of humour meant I was not scared of them for one minute.

Snork or snook or snarf - what an awful CGI villian.

Well casted but made for fans who just want the same film. I wanted something new so i guess i shouldn't have gone to see it. And Carrie Fisher's face has been surgically fixed to one expression. How sad.

As others have said, why were Ray & Finn so adept with the light sabre having never been trained in it's use (well maybe Ray was at the temple).

Defeat by Boro and now this - what a shite weekend!

100% agree.

Keep thinking about how well executed the last James Bond was as a nod to fans. This felt to me like a too hard attempt to apologise for the car crash of the prequels. S### we've got 60 seconds left, let's shoe horn C3PO in. Film doesn't know whether it's a reboot or taking the story forward. Found it unsatisfying as a mix of both.

Probably it couldn't be anything else and I'm hoping it was something that you have to go through to make it work going forward.

Will watch again in 2D because I suspect my annoyance was influenced by bloody 3D. It takes me a good half an hour to be able to focus on it. Definitely the last 3D film I watch.

 

[Rambo]

5 pages and no one had even speculated about Finns origins. Could he be Rens half brother? The love child of Lando Calrisian and Lea (Billy Dee Williams was offered a part apparently and turned it down). Surely Finn has a much bigger part to play?

 

[jimhigham]

Film was good, perhaps too complex for some younger viewers to follow perhaps but maybe they didn't need to follow it all to enjoy it?

I wouldn't think so. When I saw it again yesterday the cinema was packed to the brim with youngsters. Being an old git I was a bit worried that they might yap on throughout the film but the whole place was rapt. It certainly seems to hold the attention of younger viewers.

 

[Rowdey]

Watched this at 7.45 this morning at IMAX in 3D - had no problems with it, and didnt affect my enjoyment, or my Kids (9+7) who were stoked throughout.

Excellent, with lots of nods to the past, and some good new characters - We await the follow on's with excitement.

 

[Brian Fantana]

As someone who hadn't seen any of the other SW films before watching this one, obviously a lot of the nods to the previous instalments were lost on me (although I'm aware of the main characters who I expected to crop up). That said, I thought the movie was decent, but no better than half a dozen other films that I've seen this year.

Would I watch the other SW films? Probably.

Can I see why people get so obsessed by SW, and why an entire toy market has sprung out of it? Not really.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Watched it today. I really enjoyed it. Visually it was excellent and it jumped straight into the story like the originals and unlike the tedious prequels. Yes, it was basically a rehash of episode IV but I think that was a good idea as it enables those of us who loved the originals to re-establish our connection with the Star Wars universe. It immediately brings you back to how you felt as a kid and the awe and wonder that the originals inspired. Which is pretty important considering the money Disney spent on acquiring the rights to the films. After the shitfest of the prequels if this one had been too out there/different in tone and style then they risked having an enormously expensive turkey on their hands. I'm assuming that VII is just the jump off point and that VIII and IX will head off in new directions.

The ending with Luke and Rey genuinely gave me shivers. Killing Han though...oh sheee-it! While it's probably a good thing for the story a little piece of my childhood died with him. Thank god Indiana Jones is still alive...

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

As someone who hadn't seen any of the other SW films before watching this one, obviously a lot of the nods to the previous instalments were lost on me (although I'm aware of the main characters who I expected to crop up). That said, I thought the movie was decent, but no better than half a dozen other films that I've seen this year.

Would I watch the other SW films? Probably.

Can I see why people get so obsessed by SW, and why an entire toy market has sprung out of it? Not really.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I'm 35 and was pant wettingly excited about this film coming out. My co-workers who are just a few years younger than me(30 and 29) have never seen any of the films(originals or prequels) have no interest in seeing them and have no interest in watching this one. It blew my mind that anyone could feel this way. So I'm wondering if it's an age thing, was I at the youngest end of the age spectrum that would have grown up loving them?

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

5 pages and no one had even speculated about Finns origins. Could he be Rens half brother? The love child of Lando Calrisian and Lea (Billy Dee Williams was offered a part apparently and turned it down). Surely Finn has a much bigger part to play?

Isn't he Michael Jackson's love child?

I watched the actor on the Graham Norton show on Friday night (I know - it was a cracking evening) and he was a very funny bloke.

 

[coagulantwolf]

The first scene you properly see the resistance, the X-Wing's flying low over the lake fronting Maz's outpost was just so EPIC. Seeing that old familiar action of the wings cracking open gave me a tingle, then watching them swoop upwards to engage the swarm of First Order TIE fighters was brilliant.

 

[Triggaaar]

I was really looking forward to this but came away quite disappointed. Silly coincidences bringing the characters together

That is Star Wars. And they're not all coincidences, the force guides everything. But if you don't like that sort of thing, I guess you didn't like the original:
Luke and uncle Owen go and buy some droids, and happen to pick up the one droid that has the plans to the death star. Said droid runs away, Luke goes to find it, get's knocked out, and the person that the droid was looking for is out and about and finds them. So they go to Alderaan, which blows up while they're on the way there. So they land on a space station, and rescue a princess, who happens to be Luke's sister.

Felt like a bit of a cop out basically remaking the first film. The "greatest hits" approach worked much better with the last James Bond.

Eh? I'm not knocking Bond, but if you don't like seeing the same thing repeated, could you have come up with a worse example? Bond charms lady, gets what he needs, lady dies, Bond kills all the bad guys.

As someone who hadn't seen any of the other SW films before watching this one, obviously a lot of the nods to the previous instalments were lost on me (although I'm aware of the main characters who I expected to crop up). That said, I thought the movie was decent, but no better than half a dozen other films that I've seen this year.

Would I watch the other SW films? Probably.

Can I see why people get so obsessed by SW, and why an entire toy market has sprung out of it? Not really.

I love Star Wars, but I wouldn't expect an adult to start watching it now and feel the same. The main reason is that when I was a kid there was nothing in the world like Star Wars. Nothing that had such an interesting and diverse world (galaxy), that had the movie effects, that had the imaginative power of the force. To say nothing came close is a huge understatement. And those characters still exist (although one died on Thursday ) and I got to see them again, in the same magical world. Children can feel the same though. Right now my daughter is demanding that we watch Revenge of the Sith again.

 

[Triggaaar]

QUESTION

Which is the best cinema to watch this in (locally)? 2D only.

I saw it at the Odeon, screen 4 - pretty happy with it - screen size was fair, and not too many seats. But is there better - either a bigger screen or less seats?