Super Steve Earle
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I wonder if there might be a super injunction in play here
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[News] Southport Murderer Pleads Guilty
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The Clamp
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Likely because of the court proceedings needing to be unadulterated.
It’s an emotive case involving children and someone of foreign descent who is immersed in extremism.
These cases seem to attract extreme comment and coverage from the opposite end of the spectrum.
As we have seen with the likes of Thomas Yaxley-Lennon, this can jeapordise court cases.
That’s not something we would want. Especially in this case.
ROSM
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What we need to think here is that one of the reasons he ended up pleading guilty is, I suspect, because there was no hope of a defence of being unable to get a fair trial.
The crime was last July, he was charged in August, investigations found more crimes and this generated further charges in november and he was sentenced to in effect a whole life term in January. The govt announce a public inquiry and admit failings in the system they now control. That is swift justice for a case of this magnitude.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It has been explained several times. The murderer was a minor when he committed the crimes. His name couldn’t be revealed until a judge ruled it could.I wonder if there might be a super injunction in play here
That is the law, and nothing to do with the government. Likewise a minor wouldn’t be hung either.
Heaven forbid I'm ever in the same situation as those families but if I was I'd want him to suffer being locked up until the day he dies in prison. The death penalty would be far too quick and painless for him.
*To be perfectly open - I don't support the death penalty in any circumstance.
ROSM
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The dignity, bravery and strength in their victim statements was truly something today. In very difficult circumstances they are the best of us.
Hearing of the dance teacher who shielded the girls, the other teacher who kept one hidden, the passer by and others who went to help. It reminded me of something I heard years ago around the 7/7 bombs. When people are committing acts of evil, there are many more good people who run towards it to help.
Sorrel
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I will treat your sincerity with sincerity back - though I don't wish to get involved in a long argument.
In cases like this - when there is mass murder and no doubt to the perpetrator - then I'm absolutely in favour of the punishment being death. There are plenty of people who have principled views against killing, pacifists who would never condone violence in any form. That would be a perfectly respectable moral position.
However, generally those against the death penalty are not pacifists and are prepared to see killing done in the name of the state when the military is involved. I find this a hypocritical position: one adopted to show how "civilised" we are as a nation, but the reality is they are in favour of the state organising death, just under different conditions. Saying "I hope he gets hurt/killed in prison" is also an abrogation of responsibility. That makes those who say that sound like they prefer random prison violence over the rule of law - not a good moral position IMO.
The argument of "would you be prepared to do it?" is a bit pointless if we are talking about the state rather than random individual violence. I also am unlikely to be in the Royal Signals, or an artillery officer but that doesn't mean other people shouldn't or won't do those tasks. I don't think there are any countries worldwide that stopped capital punishment because they were unable to organise it.
The best argument against the death penalty for me is the "slippery slope". If we accept it for this, then maybe a less pleasant government could arrive who demand the death penalty for drug-dealing, or murder on its own, or - as we had in this country in the 1700s - for stealing. Where to draw the line is the best argument to not do it at all.
I was against the death penalty myself until I talked to friends of those affected by the Oklahoma bombings in 1995 (I talked to them in 1996). Their argument was that the murderer should be given no treatment, not kept alive as a prisoner, not solitary confinement to protect him from others, no cruel punishment. Instead, he should be erased from the planet and those he had hurt could be free to move on knowing he was no longer around. Maybe it's an American attitude, but I find it more convincing than people saying "this almost makes me change my mind on the death penalty" and then asking for the prisoner in this case to be kept alive with state care for 50 more years.
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
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I suspect that pales into insignificance against being bang to rights.
ROSM
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People who are 'bang to rights' often resort to technicalities. That avenue wasn't available to them
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Don't be silly. Super injunction for what?I wonder if there might be a super injunction in play here
Sir Keir Starmer due to make statement on Southport attack inquiry
The prime minister is due to speak after Axel Rudakubana pleaded guilty to the murders of three girls last year.
www.bbc.co.uk
Leekbrookgull
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2TK, spent a pathetic 19 seconds at the home made memorial laying a wreath (probably put on expenses) do you honestly believes he cares ?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
If anything needs investigation, it is the three referrals to Prevent and the Mental Health authorities in 2019.
Maybe the whole tragedy could have been prevented.
Maybe the whole tragedy could have been prevented.
The Clamp
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How long did you spend there?
Yeah, but 21 seconds and it’d be ‘look at him, lingering for a political point-scoring photo opportunity’. Don’t really need it in this thread.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
5 people got attacked my a mad man in Croydon today with a knife, the victims were between 18-50 eye witnesses say he was going for anyone yet the MET say he knew all the victims hmm are they covering up these Lone Ranger types?
Uncle Spielberg
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Heartbreaking
sydney
tinky ****in winky
absolutely ....soft., not severe enough. I am well aware of what barristers are paid , my nieces father in law is one , he's polluted with money and is moving to America when he retires.