Southern Rail STRIKE details

[Taybha]

Leon has now been removed from the southern gtr social media payroll

 

[coagulantwolf]

The twitter backlash is hilarious. How on earth did someone on mega bucks think this PR attempt was going to be good?! Clueless.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

This is going to go well...

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Southern Railway says RMT must accept offer aimed at averting strikes by Thursday, or it will terminate conductors' contracts

Sack them all and bus them in from Poland or somewhere. Cheaper and will work in all weathers.

 

[Titanic]

Sack them all and bus them in from Poland or somewhere. Cheaper and will work in all weathers.

or just run DOO without guards/train managers? and blame the unions along the way?

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

The twitter backlash is hilarious. How on earth did someone on mega bucks think this PR attempt was going to be good?! Clueless.

I have to say that was idiocy in the extreme. Trying to get the passengers on their side.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

or just run DOO without guards/train managers? and blame the unions along the way?

That would work on parts of the network that have the DOO infrastructure.

Take sat eve. No train crew available so the driver drives to Littlehampton but because there is no guard passengers cant get taken home and there is all sorts of **** buggery going on at HH.

So either DOO for all and make sure that every station is capable. And the unions allow trains to run without a guard on DOO routes thus avoiding cancellations on London to Brighton.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

What kind of perverse company is so far removed from reality that it tries to start a twitter campaign to turn its customers against its own hard-working frontline staff members? Southern/GTR really are beneath contempt. As are the Department for Transport for being complicit in this shameful nonsense.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

 

[The Albion Roar]

That would work on parts of the network that have the DOO infrastructure.

Take sat eve. No train crew available so the driver drives to Littlehampton but because there is no guard passengers cant get taken home and there is all sorts of **** buggery going on at HH.

So either DOO for all and make sure that every station is capable. And the unions allow trains to run without a guard on DOO routes thus avoiding cancellations on London to Brighton.

And therein lies the issue. SASTA - who run those stations - have no intention of doing so.

 

[Yoda]

Two problems there.

So either DOO for all and make sure that every station is capable.

Southern aren't going to be making those changes needed, but still want to run it on all

And the unions allow trains to run without a guard on DOO routes thus avoiding cancellations on London to Brighton.

The RMT has agreed to this, but wan't the guarantee of a 2nd critical safety trained member of staff on board.

 

[Deadly Danson]

RAIL UNION RMT revealed this afternoon that Southern/GTR are refusing to have any kind of talks that might resolve the current guards safety dispute by slapping an impossible pre-condition down that “any discussions now can only relate to the detail of our offer.”
This outrageous pre-condition means that the solution to the current dispute, based on the deal recently secured on Scotrail which protects passengers through the guarantee of a second safety-critical member of staff on all current services, will not even be considered by Southern, let alone discussed in detail. The company are also refusing to release key members of the union negotiating team from their company posts to engage in the talks process.

Mick Cash, RMT General Secretary said,
“This morning we have seen a three pronged assault on staff by Southern in the form of their bodged social media attack on the workforce, tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayer and fare-payer money slung at a press advertising campaign denigrating their employees and an attempted bribe of £2000, laced with ultimatums and threats, to try and force our members to sell safety and quality of service.

“Now this company have upped the ante by telling us in a letter that they are only prepared to talk about their position and not that of the front-line workforce who are at the heart of this safety dispute. They are refusing point-blank to have any discussions around the Scotrail deal which is a solution to this dispute in the making. That is outrageous. They won’t even release our reps to take part in genuine talks.

“These are the tactics of a company that is out of control and which has declared war on its staff and passengers alike as they put their profits above safety while levelling a gun at the heads of the workforce.

“RMT members will not be bullied, bribed or beaten regardless of the tactics deployed by Southern. We stand firm and our offer of genuine and meaningful talks, where both sides set out their positions, stands"

 

[beorhthelm]

good. Southern have issued an ultimatum (which never helps relations), RMT have said they cant talk with pre-conditions (which have nothing to do with this dispute). the silly dance is near the end and they'll have talks in a couple of days.

i hoped, though on re-reading it may be that the union have taken a obstructive line. why cant they just agree to a sensible amount of DOO if everything tell us this damn thing is going to be pushed through? why strike and disrupt the public for no purpose?

 

[Ernest]

good. Southern have issued an ultimatum (which never helps relations), RMT have said they cant talk with pre-conditions (which have nothing to do with this dispute). the silly dance is near the end and they'll have talks in a couple of days.

i hoped, though on re-reading it may be that the union have taken a obstructive line. why cant they just agree to a sensible amount of DOO if everything tell us this damn thing is going to be pushed through? why strike and disrupt the public for no purpose?

It's still 1939, wait till ASLEF decide to act

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

The RMT has agreed to this, but wan't the guarantee of a 2nd critical safety trained member of staff on board.

Which is frankly ridiculous because thameslink can run DOO London to Brighton and most trains are equipped. But they cant run because the luddites wont let them. So I get ****** over along with 100s of others...every ****ing day.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Two problems there.

Southern aren't going to be making those changes needed, but still want to run it on all

I know and really they should so all this nonsense can be put to bed once and for all.

 

[BensGrandad]

At long last somebody stating the obvious you are not doing your job so in breach of contract and we will terminate your contract. should have happened ages ago.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

At long last somebody stating the obvious you are not doing your job so in breach of contract and we will terminate your contract. should have happened ages ago.

Nice.

Somebody should have terminated your contract with NSC ages ago.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

This is going to go on for years.

When does the franchise come up for renewal ?

 

[BensGrandad]

Nice.

I can see no justification for a strike. May be old fashioned but if you dont like the way your employers operate leave and get a new job with somebody you approve of. Others may have other opinions if they wish.

 

[Weatherman]

Sack them all and bus them in from Poland or somewhere. Cheaper and will work in all weathers.

There are already Polish and other foreign workers there who have been taking industrial action.