Southern Rail STRIKE details

[mothy]

The rmt & their members are pure scum. Stuck in the past socialist fools who are against progress.

Sack them all & ban the union

 

[Titanic]

The rmt & their members are pure scum. Stuck in the past socialist fools who are against progress.

Sack them all & ban the union

I'm pretty sure @Ernest will not be 'wasting his time' responding to this post.

 

[mothy]

I'm pretty sure @Ernest will not be 'wasting his time' responding to this post.

Is he a member

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Whatever happened to bus conductors? They had to look after passengers going up and down hill, around corners and even when it was cold and snowing. And buses were open at the back so there was the risk of falling off.

 

[Titanic]

Whatever happened to bus conductors?

Ah yes, the joys of early morning bus rides with 'Hitler' on the 5b

 

[mothy]

Whatever happened to bus conductors?

Or cart horses ploughing fields

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Revenue Protection are on the trains, strike days they wear guards uniforms

They are in force on Thameslink trains...not so much southern

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Am I missing something??

Southern have said the guards will still have a job on the train in a more customer service role rather than operating the doors.

What is the problemo? not like they are losing their jobs! We all have to accept change at some point in our working lives..

Basically its the modern day equivalent of luddites. FACT.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

I said it earlier in the thread - how feasible it is I don't know...

Have all the staff turn up for work, but have the barriers open at all SASTA-operated stations to allow passengers through without tickets being checked. That way, revenue is affected, but there should be a full (as full as SASTA could ever operate) service, and full safety is in operation.

Season-ticket commuters may consider letting people on for effectively nothing isn't fair - but for the occasional one-off...?

Just an idea.

I have no problem with that.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Cynical? Losing 14 days pay is cyncial is it?

They should actually lose their job. Or find another one. I'm serious. If I went on strike my company would sack me. Rightly so.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Or cart horses ploughing fields

Still happens in countries with peasant farmers. (Might use oxen or old grannies depending on location)

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Just sack say 10% of them and then watch the other 90% work like dogs....

SASTA need MORE staff not less

[emoji38]ol:

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Forget that, sack 100% of them and replace them with people who want to work.
I had little sympathy for them in the first place but now I have to commute to work so that little bit has well and truly gone.

So no trains at all in the recruiting and training and assessing period [emoji38]ol:

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Why would THPP Rail Company want to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds training drivers when your franchise only lasts 5 years ? All you're doing is setting up the next company with their resources seeing the time to get a driver fully trained could be 2 years +. So all the train companies have been relying on what they have and sticking plaster management in only recruiting and training staff if they really have to which is why we are where we are.

The idiots who privatised the railways this way (Tory dogma policy = privatisation is right) have made our national resource what it is now.

An excellent point sir.

And something that really needs to be addressed as far as the infrastructure of the country is concerned (transport being one) there needs to be a separate apolitical body that has a 25 year mandate to sort all this stuff out, set this body in law so whatever government can set budgets but has no influence in how it runs day to day and certainly none of this shortermism. Any profit is ploughed back into the infrastructure. I say that as a more righty than lefty but it makes sense to me.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

That can't be right. According to [MENTION=2422]Tony Meolas Loan Spell[/MENTION] it's all the Guards fault and DOO will solve everything.

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It'll solve 90% of the problems when a guard isn't there and train can't ****ing move because the unions stop it from going even though it could. I lose count of the amount of times that's happened at Vic/LB. Of course if a driver isnt about there isnt alot you can do. But I tell you this 90% its "can the guard contact the driver" on the tannoy.

 

[Seagull73]

Am I missing something??

Southern have said the guards will still have a job on the train in a more customer service role rather than operating the doors.

What is the problemo? not like they are losing their jobs! We all have to accept change at some point in our working lives..

Exactly this. It is this dinosaur Union playing hardball on an argument it knows it cannot win. The company has made a decision to change it's processes, which, on the face of it do not have any impact on the day-to-day journey's of the vast majority of customers - yet because they don't agree, the RMT are dragging the customers into it.

Let's not sugar-coat this, Govia are clearly a long-way from an ideal employer - and the franchise system of operating the railways is fundamentally flawed, and almost universally discredited by pretty much everybody except the government and the train companies. However, that does not excuse the RMT for absolutely refusing to accept change and the roles of the employees, simply to make a point, and to I daresay, make themselves relevant again. Their arguments for not accepting this change are at spurious at best, and it is absolutely clear they could not give a shit about the impact it is having on customers.

RMT and it's leadership are scum, stuck in the past, and fast proving that point. On that basis, I hope the public see them for what they are sooner rather than later, because they only winner in this situation is Govia, and that's not good for anybody.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Exactly this. It is this dinosaur Union playing hardball on an argument it knows it cannot win. The company has made a decision to change it's processes, which, on the face of it do not have any impact on the day-to-day journey's of the vast majority of customers - yet because they don't agree, the RMT are dragging the customers into it.

Let's not sugar-coat this, Govia are clearly a long-way from an ideal employer - and the franchise system of operating the railways is fundamentally flawed, and almost universally discredited by pretty much everybody except the government and the train companies. However, that does not excuse the RMT for absolutely refusing to accept change and the roles of the employees, simply to make a point, and to I daresay, make themselves relevant again. Their arguments for not accepting this change are at spurious at best, and it is absolutely clear they could not give a shit about the impact it is having on customers.

RMT and it's leadership are scum, stuck in the past, and fast proving that point. On that basis, I hope the public see them for what they are sooner rather than later, because they only winner in this situation is Govia, and that's not good for anybody.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

It's luddites plain and simple.

 

[The Albion Roar]

Exactly this. It is this dinosaur Union playing hardball on an argument it knows it cannot win. The company has made a decision to change it's processes, which, on the face of it do not have any impact on the day-to-day journey's of the vast majority of customers - yet because they don't agree, the RMT are dragging the customers into it.

Let's not sugar-coat this, Govia are clearly a long-way from an ideal employer - and the franchise system of operating the railways is fundamentally flawed, and almost universally discredited by pretty much everybody except the government and the train companies. However, that does not excuse the RMT for absolutely refusing to accept change and the roles of the employees, simply to make a point, and to I daresay, make themselves relevant again. Their arguments for not accepting this change are at spurious at best, and it is absolutely clear they could not give a shit about the impact it is having on customers.

RMT and it's leadership are scum, stuck in the past, and fast proving that point. On that basis, I hope the public see them for what they are sooner rather than later, because they only winner in this situation is Govia, and that's not good for anybody.

Their argument is actually crystal clear and extremely valid - but lost in the white noise the the government and media wish to portray about them. Unbelievably, some passengers / customers are tying the government's / GTR's behaviour with the dispute. They are, by and large, separate issues - but the government's tame press telling people that the farcical timetables are down to excessive staff sickness is now a very poor joke.

The point of still having the RMT (or any union) is still vital, lest the likes of the government's / GTR's running of the trains be allowed to continue totally unopposed. Take away the union and the concerns of the GTR staff (the passenger groups are basically being ignored by GTR here), and that's what you've got.

That said, the RMT's leadership is playing a bit of a dumb game here, falling into GTR's trap. The strikes in themselves serve little purpose, and more imagination is required.

 

[bhanutz]

Their argument is actually crystal clear and extremely valid - but lost in the white noise the the government and media wish to portray about them. Unbelievably, some passengers / customers are tying the government's / GTR's behaviour with the dispute. They are, by and large, separate issues - but the government's tame press telling people that the farcical timetables are down to excessive staff sickness is now a very poor joke.

The point of still having the RMT (or any union) is still vital, lest the likes of the government's / GTR's running of the trains be allowed to continue totally unopposed. Take away the union and the concerns of the GTR staff (the passenger groups are basically being ignored by GTR here), and that's what you've got.

That said, the RMT's leadership is playing a bit of a dumb game here, falling into GTR's trap. The strikes in themselves serve little purpose, and more imagination is required.

Passenger safety?

 

[The Albion Roar]

It'll solve 90% of the problems when a guard isn't there and train can't ****ing move because the unions stop it from going even though it could. I lose count of the amount of times that's happened at Vic/LB. Of course if a driver isnt about there isnt alot you can do. But I tell you this 90% its "can the guard contact the driver" on the tannoy.

To re-iterate, the RMT is prepared to accept DOO on London-Brighton services.

It's the East Coast (Brighton to Eastbourne / Hastings) and West Coast (Brighton to Worthing / Chichester / Portsmouth) services which the RMT is most concerned about. SASTA intends to put DOO in across the entire network (aside from the London-Uckfield line, we're told), even though the stations along those lines don't have the neessary technology to safely allow the driver to make the call as to when to close the doors. Nor do SASTA (who run those stations) have any intention on putting that technology in.

Unless, of course, the drivers do what the TOCs own safety reports suggests - leave the cab, and check down the platforms themselves.

It's a separate issue, but dwell times on the stations will increase (even 1 min per station has a knock-on effect), leading to further delays and cancellations back down the line.