Southern Rail STRIKE details

[pearl]

You can't strike if your company isn't affected. Or rather, you can be sacked if you strike on behalf of employees of a different company (otherwise known as 'Sympathy Strikes' or 'Secondary Strikes'). For instance, a TfL employee who's also an RMT member can't go on strike on behalf of Southern colleagues if the dispute isn't with TfL.

how does a National Strike work then? serious question

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

how does a National Strike work then? serious question

I don't think we've had one since British Rail was broken up.

 

[Ernest]

how does a National Strike work then? serious question

Each Train Company would have to ballot and then take action at the same time

 

[The Albion Roar]

To be fair to Southern I know of an example of the Metropolitan Police not pursuing evidence due to the cost involved in obtaining it so I don't think it's uncommon. That said what cost there would be to Southern would surely be minimal??

'Minimal' costs more than 'nothing'. So they won't cough up.

I suspect there is no CCTV footage.

 

[yxee]

Assistant general secretary Mick Lynch said "we are not interested in money, we never wanted any money" when Daily Politics presenter Jo Coburn asked about the offer of £2,000 from the firm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04...cs&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

Well if a union says it's not about money, I guess that settles it.

Can't. Have to do it legally and the government and GTR have very expensive lawyers who keep ruling strike ballots illegal. Meanwhile GTR keep pissing all over our agreed T & Cs. Another Aslef meeting planned for early next week.

When you say "have to do it legally", do you mean "have to do it in a way that gives us legal protection from being sacked"? I think that's what a strike is, isn't it? Allowing workers to break the T&Cs of their employment contract (i.e. come in to work) without getting sacked?

 

[yxee]

duplicate

 

[Ernest]

duplicate

I didn't know southern ran trains to Manchester

 

[Yoda]

These other DOO services that the RMT forgot to oppose must be quite inconvenient for them as they keep trotting out these stories about how super-hero guards have previously saved the day.

If I were a driver on a DOO service, I'd be asking serious questions about how safe I was without this essential back-up on board.

Can't give you a concrete answer, but maybe in light of recent events, they have decided it isn't as safe as originally made out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35686916
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36681656

 

[beorhthelm]

any one interested should read the RMT dossier against DOO, they like to highlight 80% (of 10) incidents involving DOO, glossing over the 2 that were with a guard.

 

[biddles911]

how does a National Strike work then? serious question

Bit of an oxymoron!?


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[dwayne]

So will there be any trains for wolves as it stands ? I plan to travel from London if anything is running.

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[Beach Hut]

So will there be any trains for wolves as it stands ? I plan to travel from London if anything is running.

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I doubt there will be any train service back to London

 

[ManOfSussex]

Rail union caves in but strikes go ahead

The RMT transport union has told its members to climb down in their dispute over downgrading rail conductors — but ordered them to continue with three days of strikes this week.

Mick Cash, the RMT’s general secretary, wrote to conductors on the Southern network on Friday advising them to accept new contracts and become “onboard supervisors”. The letter, seen by The Sunday Times, marks a significant retreat after five strikes since April, covering a total of nine days.

The dispute centres on a decision to extend driver- operated trains across the network, which covers Surrey and East and West Sussex. This involves changing the role of conductors, transferring the responsibility for operating train doors from them to the drivers. Some trains may also run without a second person on board, a move the RMT claims would be unsafe.

The conductors were asked by the company to sign up to the new roles by November 4 or face losing their jobs in the new year.

In his letter, Cash described the choice facing the conductors as “very serious”, adding: “It would be irresponsible if your union did not provide you with the advice that, most importantly, protects your employment, as that is the first duty the RMT has towards its members.

“Your union has therefore taken very serious consideration of the matter and would advise you to volunteer for the OBS [onboard supervisor] roles . . .”

The company said that if the RMT had climbed down a day earlier, the conductors could have received an improved pay offer, including a £2,000 lump sum. That offer was, however, withdrawn by the company at midday on Thursday.

Charles Horton, Southern’s chief executive, said the decision “sets new standards in union militancy”.

“They reject an offer one day, tell conductors to sign up to the role the next, but then still issue a clarion call to strike about it a few days later. Their own union has lost them each a £2,000 bonus for a deal they then tell them to sign 24 hours later.”

Despite advising the conductors to accept the new roles, Cash’s letter states that this week’s planned walkout, from Tuesday morning until the end of Thursday, “remains firmly on”. It forms part of 14 days of strike action planned over the autumn.

“The clear legal advice we have received also makes clear that whatever steps are taken in terms of the imposition of the OBS role by management, this dispute will still be lawful and all further strike action will be legitimate.”

One conductor said he believed the RMT was continuing to fight in an attempt to win a guarantee that there would always be a second member of staff on board the trains.

“Obviously it is a body-blow that those changes are going to be forced through, but . . . I don’t see it has really dented the determination of most of the guys and girls to keep fighting.”

The RMT said: “There is no climb-down from the union. Our dispute remains on, and the fight for safety continues, despite the bullying and threats from Southern.

“We have a duty to issue our members with clear legal advice that protects their position in the teeth of the threat of mass sackings. That is what we have done.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/rail-union-caves-in-but-strikes-go-ahead-33z87v850

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

'Charles Horton, Southern’s chief executive, said the decision “sets new standards in union militancy”.

“They reject an offer one day, tell conductors to sign up to the role the next, but then still issue a clarion call to strike about it a few days later. Their own union has lost them each a £2,000 bonus for a deal they then tell them to sign 24 hours later.”

Hopefully when a settlement is finally reached, the union will insist on two pre-conditions:

1. A £4,000 bonus is made payable to each affected member of staff
2. That snide cvnt Charles Horton is sacked without any form of payoff whatsoever

 

[Danny-Boy]

'Charles Horton, Southern’s chief executive, said the decision “sets new standards in union militancy”.

“They reject an offer one day, tell conductors to sign up to the role the next, but then still issue a clarion call to strike about it a few days later. Their own union has lost them each a £2,000 bonus for a deal they then tell them to sign 24 hours later.”

Hopefully when a settlement is finally reached, the union will insist on two pre-conditions:

1. A £4,000 bonus is made payable to each affected member of staff
2. That snide cvnt Charles Horton is sacked without any form of payoff whatsoever

Dream on TH.

 

[Ernest]

Rail union caves in but strikes go ahead



http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/rail-union-caves-in-but-strikes-go-ahead-33z87v850

It is a legal matter which the RMT solicitors have told them to do, the dispute is a long way from being finished and as usual Horton is being a lying **** by suggesting otherwise. Even when it is finished his position with SASTA is untenable but like Crowther will be shunted to another cosy position paid for by the tax payer

 

[bhanutz]

It is a legal matter which the RMT solicitors have told them to do, the dispute is a long way from being finished and as usual Horton is being a lying **** by suggesting otherwise. Even when it is finished his position with SASTA is untenable but like Crowther will be shunted to another cosy position paid for by the tax payer

Long way from being finished?

 

[beorhthelm]

so the union is telling the conductors to accept the new role, but will strike anyway? for what purpose now?

 

[Beach Hut]

There are another two strike ballots to come TSSA which will be pointless as the retail side however ASLEF may be far more effective

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Wrong-Direction and I are going on strike due to be underapreciated
We will be at Brighton Station tomorrow with a b&q bucket for much needed funds