Smoking ban - something I didn't consider!

[tedebear]

It is disgusting I agree, not only are motor cyclists forced to wear crash helmets I bet it's only a matter of time before the poor oppressed peddle cyclist has to as well !

Oh the humanity

Well only daft people choose not to wear cycle helmets, but then again we are allowed to make our own decision on that one....

 

[itszamora]

Well only daft people choose not to wear cycle helmets, but then again we are allowed to make our own decision on that one....

Another example of how making a choice when the consequences will only affect yourself is perfectly ok. The fact is that smoking is very different to most other activities in that indulging in it not only puts yourself at risk, but others around you 100% of the time that you are smoking. It's for this reason that the ban's been brought in, to protect the health of people who wish to go and socialise without the risk of second-hand smoke.

 

[tedebear]

Another example of how making a choice when the consequences will only affect yourself is perfectly ok. The fact is that smoking is very different to most other activities in that indulging in it not only puts yourself at risk, but others around you 100% of the time that you are smoking. It's for this reason that the ban's been brought in, to protect the health of people who wish to go and socialise without the risk of second-hand smoke.

So you can choose to or not wear a cycle helmet which may save your life - why can't you choose or not to go to a smokey pub which may or may not save your life?..and I'm specifically talking about the ban in pubs here - not any other place...

 

[Franks Wild Years]

Utter UTTER bollocks. If some people are too f***ing STUPID to look after their health, then OK, go for it! Except there's people ten yards downwind smoking your smoke and they've never even been introduced to you. Bar-staff are on near enough minimum wage and up to now have had little option but to grin and inhale it. Simple fact is any single fucker whingeing about their civil liberties being infringed by being made to not inflict their smoke on random strangers and the NHS = SELFISH ****. End of. Inject heroin all you like, don't really care, just keep it to yourself eh?

Totally agree. Secondary smoking is a fact, most people don't smoke, seems like the majority having their say. I'll be going to the pub more, FACT.

 

[tedebear]

Totally agree. Secondary smoking is a fact, most people don't smoke, seems like the majority having their say. I'll be going to the pub more, FACT.

As we will be - The Duke allows us in with Arthur which is fantastic and it is smoke free now, whereas we used to sit in the beer garden with him which he loves and is brilliant for him, but I still don't like the fact that people don't have the choice....

 

[BensGrandad]

My wife has never smoked in her life but has worked in the licensed trade for most of her adult life. She went to the doctors with a chest complaint and the doctor told her that it was brought about by smoking, when told that she didnt smoke he said that she had suffered with passive smoking through her job.

The only thing the government got wrong was that they didnt ban smoking anywhere where there were other people.

With people now going outside of pubs to smoke they are now polluting the fesh air that many nonsmokers used to be able to enjoy by sitting outside of the pubs.

I packed up smoking in 1995 when I had my operation for mouth cancer and if I could have 1 thing in life it would be for my 3 sons to pack up smoking, having seen what happened to me.

If it wasn't for the loss of revenue through taxes I am sure that the government would have made smoking and the selling of cigarrettes etc illegal.

 

[Yorkie]

Another example of how making a choice when the consequences will only affect yourself is perfectly ok. The fact is that smoking is very different to most other activities in that indulging in it not only puts yourself at risk, but others around you 100% of the time that you are smoking. It's for this reason that the ban's been brought in, to protect the health of people who wish to go and socialise without the risk of second-hand smoke.

I understand that. Drink also affects other people. The amount of drink driving (and deaths from accidents) cases and domestic violence cases I see every week is just as bad if not worse than the smoking related diseases that people get.
Drink is also bad for your health.

 

[BensGrandad]

Drink also affects other people. The amount of drink driving (and deaths from accidents) cases and domestic violence cases I see every week is just as bad if not worse than the smoking related diseases that people get.
Drink is also bad for your health.

That is not drink affecting others but the EXCESS of drink. Drink in moderation isnt harmful to others it is the excess and binge drinking, hence the governments plans to abolish drink promotions like happy hours, 2 for 1 etc.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

I understand that. Drink also affects other people. The amount of drink driving (and deaths from accidents) cases and domestic violence cases I see every week is just as bad if not worse than the smoking related diseases that people get.
Drink is also bad for your health.

yes but, if i have a pint in a pub, the people around me won't have their health affected

if i am smoking, the people around me WILL have their health affected


it's only when alcohol is drunken in excess that its a problem, the same can't be said for tobacco

 

[Yorkie]

But as already pointed out the Government is planning to bring in new rules about drinking and putting health labels on tins and bottles.

 

[Yorkie]

yes but, if i have a pint in a pub, the people around me won't have their health affected

if i am smoking, the people around me WILL have their health affected


it's only when alcohol is drunken in excess that its a problem, the same can't be said for tobacco

Btw it is a risk factor not a guarantee. You post as though it is.
I was brought up in a home with several adults who all smoked. I smoked myself for over 26 years and have never had asthma, bronchitus or cancer. I have been lucky but as I have posted it is a risk factor not a guarantee.

 

[tedebear]

yes but, if i have a pint in a pub, the people around me won't have their health affected

if i am smoking, the people around me WILL have their health affected

In my belief if you knew a pub is a smoking pub then you should be able to choose not to go there.....likewise the people can choose to go to a non-smoking pub knowing they can't smoke....I can't see the issue with that...

 

[cheeseroll]

I haven't had a day of work in 20 years, like British Bulldog says just give us a place where we can smoke and deposit the butt, preferably far away from the anti smoking mafia and their sanctimonious attitudes,

 

[DJ Leon]

Its not about civil liberties (what ever they are) for me its about being adult enough to choose where you want to go and the conditions where you go. You are intelligent enough to know that smoking and second hand smoking is bad for you, therefore you choose not to go anywhere where this occurs...but no - we're not adult enough to make that choice so we've had the government do it for us....

Why is that such a problem?...I'll tell you why - everyone is selfish....its about me me me....what happened to "I don't like smoking and so I won't go to a smoking pub I'll go to a non-smoking one!" no, not on your life, its "I want to go to this specific place and do exactly what I want without any respect for anyone else who may be doing what they want there...."

So this is about the selfishness of non-smokers? Well, I guess that's an original argument. There are many obvious signs of the selfish nature of society, but wanting to go out into a smoke-free environment to eat or drink is not one.

 

[Yorkie]

So this is about the selfishness of non-smokers? Well, I guess that's an original argument. There are many obvious signs of the selfish nature of society, but wanting to go out into a smoke-free environment to eat or drink is not one.

Which is why tedebear and myself are saying there should be a choice. Smoking and no smoking pubs. You can go to a smoke free environment whenever you want.

 

[tedebear]

So this is about the selfishness of non-smokers? Well, I guess that's an original argument. There are many obvious signs of the selfish nature of society, but wanting to go out into a smoke-free environment to eat or drink is not one.

Isn't it? I like to go out in a smoke free environment too - but I respect the fact that there are people who smoke and that we are imposing our wishes on them...Again I'm specifically talking about pubs, of which there are many and plenty enough for the landlord to choose if he/she wishes to be smoke free or not...

 

[Napper]

been funny this weekend, massive groups of people outside smoking , been very sociable it has

 

[dougdeep]

The majority are non-smokers. You can't please everyone so you must go with the majority.

 

[DJ Leon]

Which is why tedebear and myself are saying there should be a choice. Smoking and no smoking pubs. You can go to a smoke free environment whenever you want.

What if the Withdean remained a smoking environment? Do the non-smokers have to suffer? Who should get their own way? The smokers damaging their own health and that of others? Or the non-smokers? After all - the non-smokers don't have to go to the football (the selfish gets!)

 

[DJ Leon]

Isn't it? I like to go out in a smoke free environment too - but I respect the fact that there are people who smoke and that we are imposing our wishes on them...Again I'm specifically talking about pubs, of which there are many and plenty enough for the landlord to choose if he/she wishes to be smoke free or not...

Lot's of people like smoking crack. However society and the clearly selfish majority, prohibit it. Are you a complete libetarian? Shall we leagalise everything?