[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

[WATFORD zero]

Funnily enough that’s exactly what Tony Blair did when he was the only successful leader of the opposition to win a majority since Thatcher in ‘79 ….. He put a manifesto together a year before a General Election.

However this is yet another case of this opposition saying;

the Government have got it wrong- we are going to fix it - we know how but we just aren’t saying.

Weak politics no matter who the party is. For decades I have watched opposition leaders either at the dispatch box or on tv interviews explain how their policies would work and why they should be in government.

Blair certainly did publish a draft manifesto 'New Labour, New Life for Britain' outlining 5 pledges 9 months before the 1997 election

But that was a very different election and a VERY different conservative party that they were up against, many of whom wouldn't recognise (and have publicly come out against) the policies of the current corrupt cabal.

I think that that Starmer is conducting a very sensible campaign whilst, I'm assuming from the above, you believe he should publish his manifesto, and I don't think we are going to agree on that anytime soon

But this thread keeps getting bounced as a result of a carefully planned and systematic campaign to try and demonise immigrants/asylum seekers by publishing lies, in the hope of getting a few racist and naïve votes and avoiding any discussion on the real issues actually facing British people today, I'm sure you'd agree

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

I think that that Starmer is conducting a very sensible campaign whilst, I'm assuming from the above, you believe he should publish his manifesto, and I don't think we are going to agree on that anytime soon

Starmer isn't conducting any kind of a campaign - he is mister invisible - keep you mouth shut in case you f*ck-up

Now this is hardly a surprise because apart from EU membership his policies are virtually indistinguishable from the Tories.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Starmer isn't conducting any kind of a campaign - he is mister invisible - keep you mouth shut in case you f*ck-up

Now this is hardly a surprise because apart from EU membership his policies are virtually indistinguishable from the Tories.

If I read the Times/Sunday Times I read lots of articles warning me that Starmer is a dangerous communist who'll turn out to be much more left wing than we all expect.
And if I read the Guardian I read lots of people accusing him of being pointless and right wing.
Apparently I'm simultaneously not meant to vote for him as he's too left wing and too right wing.
I realise if you're a communist or an idealist the difference may be "virtually indistinguishable", but I'm entirely confident that Labour will do a damn sight more for the majority if they get into government than the Conservatives have, and they'll do infinitely more by being in government than anybody will by sitting on the Left moaning that they're just Tories with red rosettes.

 

[Weststander]

If I read the Times/Sunday Times I read lots of articles warning me that Starmer is a dangerous communist who'll turn out to be much more left wing than we all expect.
And if I read the Guardian I read lots of people accusing him of being pointless and right wing.
Apparently I'm simultaneously not meant to vote for him as he's too left wing and too right wing.
I realise if you're a communist or an idealist the difference may be "virtually indistinguishable", but I'm entirely confident that Labour will do a damn sight more for the majority if they get into government than the Conservatives have, and they'll do infinitely more by being in government than anybody will by sitting on the Left moaning that they're just Tories with red rosettes.

Subject to, I’m fearful of “there’s little money available”. Starmer/Reeves this year have rowed back from the increasing taxes route. The government have increased the corporation tax rate to one of the highest in Europe, double that of Ireland. Reeves/Starmer, backed by Blair, are saying spending will increase over time due to economic growth.

On day 1, month 1, year 1, aspirational tax revenues on hoped for future growth won’t shorten NHS waiting lists, fix potholes, end food banks.

I’m looking for something inspirational and tangible.

 

[A1X]

Now this is hardly a surprise because apart from EU membership his policies are virtually indistinguishable from the Tories.

Starmer’s backing EU membership? Must have missed that but good news someone is at last prepared to push for it.

 

[Is it PotG?]

.. but I'm entirely confident that Labour will do a damn sight more for the majority if they get into government than the Conservatives have, and they'll do infinitely more by being in government than anybody will by sitting on the Left moaning that they're just Tories with red rosettes.

The proof of the pudding, as they say, will be in the eating.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Subject to, I’m fearful of “there’s little money available”. Starmer/Reeves this year have rowed back from the increasing taxes route. The government have increased the corporation tax rate to one of the highest in Europe, double that of Ireland. Reeves/Starmer, backed by Blair, are saying spending will increase over time due to economic growth.

On day 1, month 1, year 1, aspirational tax revenues on hoped for future growth won’t shorten NHS waiting lists, fix potholes, end food banks.

I’m looking for something inspirational and tangible.

Inspiration doesn't get far in government on it's own.
I'll take being basically competent and not massively and obviously corrupt as a start and judge them on where they go from there.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Subject to, I’m fearful of “there’s little money available”. Starmer/Reeves this year have rowed back from the increasing taxes route. The government have increased the corporation tax rate to one of the highest in Europe, double that of Ireland. Reeves/Starmer, backed by Blair, are saying spending will increase over time due to economic growth.

On day 1, month 1, year 1, aspirational tax revenues on hoped for future growth won’t shorten NHS waiting lists, fix potholes, end food banks.

I’m looking for something inspirational and tangible.

I'm looking for someone to slow down (and hopefully turnaround) a crashing economy, inspirational can wait

And I believe that there's still a significant number of people who won't like what we all know is needed. Maybe another 12 months of Inflation, Interest Rates, Mortgage and Rent increases, property prices reducing, lack of staff in NHS leading to ever longer waiting lists, Care and various other industries not being able to get staff, businesses and industries failing, another winter of Electricity and Gas bills will help focus the mind on what's actually needed

But maybe asylum seekers, ARE the cause of it all and not just yet more of the victims

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

The proof of the pudding, as they say, will be in the eating.

Most people nowadays just seem to say the proof is in the pudding, seemingly oblivious to the fact that it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Most people nowadays just seem to say the proof is in the pudding, seemingly oblivious to the fact that it doesn't make any sense.

Most people quote it wrong then, quelle surprise.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Most people quote it wrong then, quelle surprise.

Modern schools innit?
Need to bring standards back into the public sector.
None of this wishy-washy "do what you like, if you're happy with it that's all that matters" crap.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Starmer’s backing EU membership? Must have missed that but good news someone is at last prepared to push for it.

Didn't say he was doing it now - but Starmer forced Corbyn into an untenable position on Brexit during the last election and contributed to the Tory win (so the Blairites could shaft Corbyn).

Starmer is pro-EU - more specifically he supports the financial capital interests that run it. He can't call for re-admission to the EU because 1. it would blow up in his face - and 2. the EU elites wouldn't take Britain back anyway.

 

[A1X]

 

[Is it PotG?]

Can't wait.

The joy, the pleasure and the harmony.

And is there honey still for tea?

 

[drew]

Didn't say he was doing it now - but Starmer forced Corbyn into an untenable position on Brexit during the last election and contributed to the Tory win (so the Blairites could shaft Corbyn).

Starmer is pro-EU - more specifically he supports the financial capital interests that run it. He can't call for re-admission to the EU because 1. it would blow up in his face - and 2. the EU elites wouldn't take Britain back anyway.

How did he do that then? Corbyn was leader and noticeably absent from most 'Remain' campaigning, probably because he was actually a Brexiteer.
The next election isn't going to be won by Starmer pandering to the far left just as Sunak has no chance (if he has any) by pandering to the far right. The election will be won by winning over the middle ground (as it always is and probably always will be). In 1997, Blair said they would stick to Major's spending plans for their first term. Starmer will pretty much be forced to do the same unless there is some exceptional growth that generates more government revenue. Once in, they can then plan how to turn things around, both in public spending and trying to sort out a fair tax regime.

The far left always remind me of the Dutch national football team. Always looks like they could achieve something but then the in fighting starts and they shoot themselves in the foot!!!

 

[Is it PotG?]

How did he do that then? Corbyn was leader and noticeably absent from most 'Remain' campaigning, probably because he was actually a remainer.
The next election isn't going to be won by Starmer pandering to the far left just as Sunak has no chance (if he has any) by pandering to the far right. The election will be won by winning over the middle ground (as it always is and probably always will be). In 1997, Blair said they would stick to Major's spending plans for their first term. Starmer will pretty much be forced to do the same unless there is some exceptional growth that generates more government revenue. Once in, they can then plan how to turn things around, both in public spending and trying to sort out a fair tax regime.

The far left always remind me of the Dutch national football team. Always looks like they could achieve something but then the in fighting starts and they shoot themselves in the foot!!!

The far left haven't gone away.

 

[Weststander]

Inspiration doesn't get far in government on it's own.
I'll take being basically competent and not massively and obviously corrupt as a start and judge them on where they go from there.

I look way beyond “Anything’s better than this lot” and the tedious social media game of political tennis. Having purported ‘nice people’ in the cabinet alone won’t solve a thing.

Focusing on fiscal policy and how that flows downs to our decrepit infrastructure, folk starving, cold or needing an op. In that light, in the first 100 days I want to know what physically will be done, what’s the plan?

Starmer/Reeves have an opportunity here to start mapping some of this out.

 

[Weststander]

How did he do that then? Corbyn was leader and noticeably absent from most 'Remain' campaigning, probably because he was actually a remainer.
The next election isn't going to be won by Starmer pandering to the far left just as Sunak has no chance (if he has any) by pandering to the far right. The election will be won by winning over the middle ground (as it always is and probably always will be). In 1997, Blair said they would stick to Major's spending plans for their first term. Starmer will pretty much be forced to do the same unless there is some exceptional growth that generates more government revenue. Once in, they can then plan how to turn things around, both in public spending and trying to sort out a fair tax regime.

The far left always remind me of the Dutch national football team. Always looks like they could achieve something but then the in fighting starts and they shoot themselves in the foot!!!

You mean a Brexiteer. Yes, he was a career critic of the EEC/EC/EU ….. citing …. a club for big business/billionaires and freedom of movement led to a race to the bottom on wages across the club.

 

[drew]

You mean a Brexiteer. Yes, he was a career critic of the EEC/EC/EU ….. citing …. a club for big business/billionaires and freedom of movement led to a race to the bottom on wages across the club.

Thanks, I did and now amended.

 

[drew]

The far left haven't gone away.

Neither has the Dutch national team.

The far left will never go away and if they have strong beliefs then fair enough. However, they aren't going to get anywhere near achieving any of their aims if the Tories win so it is in their long term interest to back Starmer, in my opinion.