[Politics] Sir Keir Starmer’s route to Number 10

[Weststander]

Yep. David Colquhoun's blog is quite good on this. Shall we discuss? Here is my take. The biological (or medical as Starmer alluded) definition is clear. Biological sex is determined by the X an Y chromosomes. And that includes the rare genetic 'abnormalities' such as extra Y chromosomes. Most people fall into the male or female categories. Gender, on the other hand is part of the indentity profile of an individual. It is normally no more a choice than sexuality (sexual orientation) is a choice. That includes a proportion of people who don't have a particularly strong gender identity (which may map to the existence of not having a strong sexual orientation).

I suspect this is sufficient for most well-balanced people who have got over any 1970s-style homophobia.

It is legitimate, however, to be concerned about someone wearing a dress, but with a cock and balls under it, demanding to swan about in the ladies toilets. I would have thought that denying people with a penis access to women's toilets, communal showers and other places where ostensibly single-sex excretion or nudity are possible, should be sufficient.

Some may say whatabout a biologically female person who identifies as a man? What changing room should they be using at a gym or swimming pool? I suspect that if they retain the female external secondary sexual characteristics (i.e., tits) then they ought to be using the women's facilities.

Here it does get a bit nuanced. However the main issue of concern, i.e. a great big hairy bloke in a dress, swinging his cock about in front of women and girls, for nefarious purposes (like, I suspect, that rapist in the Scottish jail) outght to be easy to deal with. People who have a male biological sex should not have a legal right to have access to all the facilities available to women of a female biological sex. How they dress, or identify is irrelevant. After a surgical gender change (note, this is not a sex change) then maybe we can think again.

Lights blue touch paper then legs it for a bit.....

That's my view. I politely debate this with my daughter, who disagrees, being staunchly pro transgender rights primacy over anything else. For example disagreeing with the safe places for biologically born females argument, also my dichotomy of a transgender female ex-male who's transitioned, versus any bloke who claims they're a female and so instantly have a right to all women's places. Am extreme example being the Scottish rapist, we are allowed to talk about these things, because real people were hurt.

I was pleased that Starmer, very, very briefly and almost whispered , mentioned this as his view, I hope he's being genuine and not just chasing the Middle England vote. NC thought he had a gotcha moment, but then the aggressive scientist called effectively calling Labour planet destroyers.

 

[jcdenton08]

In the 2015 election, Lewes got rid of Norman Baker (LD) who had worked as a minister with the Tories. Caulfield got a 7K majority.
In 2019, her majority was reduced to 2K. If the Green candidate had stood down, the LD may well have taken the seat.

Let me tell you something about Maria Caulfield. She is my local MP and I have never seen her - once. Ever. She promised to attend and support the protests against Southern Rail - didn’t turn up.

Granted she covers a wider area (Lewes district including Seaford where I live), but for someone elected to be ostensibly a constituency MP she has done the sum total of **** all for the community.

Maria makes a big deal of having been a working NHS frontline nurse her entire career prior to election (credit for that), but then voted against scrapping nurses pay cap.

She is useless.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Let me tell you something about Maria Caulfield. She is my local MP and I have never seen her - once. Ever. She promised to attend and support the protests against Southern Rail - didn’t turn up.

Granted she covers a wider area (Lewes district including Seaford where I live), but for someone elected to be ostensibly a constituency MP she has done the sum total of **** all for the community.

Maria makes a big deal of having been a working NHS frontline nurse her entire career prior to election (credit for that), but then voted against scrapping nurses pay cap.

She is useless.

I agree. Her email replies to me are just government propaganda. She asks how high, when number 10 tells her to jump.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

many of the protagonists in the debate mix the differences to suit their case or because it's fraught with landmines.

much of the argument is around where gender assignment should be treated as if it's a change of sex. to some, biological males who identify as female absolutly must be allowed into female/women designated spaces. its their right as a woman. there is a lot less controversy around women switching to men, because generally men care less that a woman might be in their designated space. here's one to ponder, are genitalia known as gender organs or sex organs? we call them latter until someone wants to change them, then call it's gender reassignment.

Precisely.

 

[jcdenton08]

I agree. Her email replies to me are just government propaganda. She asks how high, when number 10 tells her to jump.

Contrast and compare to Stephen Lloyd, former MP for Eastbourne (and Lib Dem, later independent) who lives and breathes the town, out and about in town every day he isn’t in parliament, held regular surgeries, supported and defended his constituency with vigour. Eventually lost the whip because of his principles.

Be like Stephen Lloyd. As @TheClamp might say, plow patsies like Caulfield into the proverbial ditch. Absolute rubbish.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Contrast and compare to Stephen Lloyd, former MP for Eastbourne (and Lib Dem, later independent) who lives and breathes the town, out and about in town every day he isn’t in parliament, held regular surgeries, supported and defended his constituency with vigour. Eventually lost the whip because of his principles.

Be like Stephen Lloyd. As @TheClamp might say, plow patsies like Caulfield into the proverbial ditch. Absolute rubbish.

Yes, I followed him on Twitter and FB. Lovely man.
The LD candidate for Lewes, in the next election, is James McCleary who is doing a good job on LDC, at present.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Wow, that's radical.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-w...es-if-elected-shadow-minister-admits-12934683

 

[Is it PotG?]

 

[nicko31]

Wow, that's radical.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-w...es-if-elected-shadow-minister-admits-12934683

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What do you suggest?

 

[A1X]

 

[WATFORD zero]

What do you suggest?

Shadow immigration minister Stephen Kinnock said Labour would "inherit a mess" from the Conservatives and that it would have to "deal with the infrastructure that we have". Speaking to Sky News, Mr Kinnock said Labour would try to move asylum seekers out of hotels, barges and military camps as "quickly as possible".

I am not sure whether he doesn't understand that a New Government would have to inherit the shitshow that his cabal have created, or he hasn't actually read the article he has linked to. From previous I would guess probably both

 

[Is it PotG?]

Shadow immigration minister Stephen Kinnock said Labour would "inherit a mess" from the Conservatives and that it would have to "deal with the infrastructure that we have". Speaking to Sky News, Mr Kinnock said Labour would try to move asylum seekers out of hotels, barges and military camps as "quickly as possible".

I am not sure whether he doesn't understand that a New Government would have to inherit the shitshow that his cabal have created, or he hasn't actually read the article he has linked to. From previous I would guess probably both

Jezza's not happy mate, that's your free WiFi up the pictures.

 

[A1X]

Jezza's not happy mate, that's your free WiFi up the pictures.

Corbyn hasn’t been happy since about 1983

 

[WATFORD zero]

Jezza's not happy mate, that's your free WiFi up the pictures.

But, but, but, Corbyn

 

[abc]

What do you suggest?

An alternative policy

 

[WATFORD zero]

An alternative policy

So what 'alternative policy' whilst in opposition would avoid them inheriting asylum seekers on barges if and when this cabal lose the next election

 

[Is it PotG?]

So what 'alternative policy' in opposition would avoid them inheriting asylum seekers on barges if and when this cabal lose the next election

Yet Starmer's in.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Yet Starmer's in.

In Government ?

 

[Is it PotG?]

In Government ?

Why are you so obtuse?

A sensible discussion is impossible.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Why are you so obtuse?

A sensible discussion is impossible.

And I though potty training kids was hard work

1. You desperately bounce a thread (twice) from a month ago with an article that says that if/when Labour get into power they would inherit refugees in barges which they would deal with 'as quickly as possible'
2. @abc asks why they don't have an 'alternative policy'
3. I say what 'alternative policy' would stop them inheriting refugees in barges while they are in Opposition.
4. You make a fool of yourself again

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