Garyoldfan
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- Jun 14, 2023
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They are aren’t theyBecause it only appeals to people who think that all 18 year olds are scumbags causing trouble on the street.
They are aren’t theyBecause it only appeals to people who think that all 18 year olds are scumbags causing trouble on the street.
That’s what I was gonna say but I abbreviated it with namby pamby so the others could keep up.Namby pamby goes back to 1725, so it doesn’t just refer to modern day society.
"All ye Poets of the Age!
All ye Witlings of the Stage!
Learn your Jingles to reform!Crop your Numbers and Conform:
Let your little Verses flowGently, Sweetly, Row by Row:
Let the Verse the Subject fit;
Little Subject, Little Wit.Namby-Pamby is your Guide;
Albion's Joy, Hibernia's Pride
Sunak’s proposal isn’t voluntary - it’s mandatory . That is why it is causing so much controversy.Can’t see how it works as a voluntary system.
Currently those who want it join the military can do so and those who want to carry out civic / charity work, can do so.
I’m starting to get the notion that this hasn’t been thought through properly
Or pay them the equivalent of a Band 5 or 6 Nurse of £34,000-£42,000 per an - after 7 years on the job.Maybe we could have enforced public service from our politicians first, get them to actually do stuff in the interests of the country rather than their own future career prospects, or for a straight backhander.
It's mandatory. Except there's seemingly no punishment if you avoid it. So, virtually voluntary.Sunak’s proposal isn’t voluntary - it’s mandatory . That is why it is causing so much controversy.
The “choice” is between doing 12 months with the military in a non-combative role learning cyber security, logistics, procurement, or civil response operations. Or “volunteering” ie unpaid - work one weekend every 4 for 12 months.
(The majority would apparently not be accepted onto the military placements (which actually sound like a bauble) as they need to have particular aptitudes and only 30,000 places would be available.)
But yes, it hasn’t been thought out - most election manifesto promises aren’t, they are just designed to win votes (in this case from Reform and an older demographic) - nether the military, nor public responder services have been consulted not has it been costed.
I understood there would be sanctions just not imprisonment ( as there was for conscientious objectors)It's mandatory. Except there's seemingly no punishment if you avoid it. So, virtually voluntary.
Well it’s an idea (albeit a dreadful one) that’s actually been mooted by the current leader of the Government - so it does make you wonder what the state of our security is in this country.A dreadful idea, as I said earlier, but It isn’t going to happen, so I’m not giving it any more thought.
along this line of thinking. in practice this means a year in the forces would be in effect a years paid training in one of our best technical colleges. not that it would happen, it would mess up with higher education too much, would likely watered down to alternative alongside current compulsory education or training, maybe some boot camp across forces, emergency services or volunteering as a compulsory element.Sunak’s proposal isn’t voluntary - it’s mandatory . That is why it is causing so much controversy.
The “choice” is between doing 12 months with the military in a non-combative role learning cyber security, logistics, procurement, or civil response operations. Or “volunteering” ie unpaid - work one weekend every 4 for 12 months.
(The majority would apparently not be accepted onto the military placements (which actually sound like a bauble) as they need to have particular aptitudes and only 30,000 places would be available.)
But yes, it hasn’t been thought out - most election manifesto promises aren’t, they are just designed to win votes (in this case from Reform and an older demographic) - nether the military, nor public responder services have been consulted not has it been costed.
I didn’t say it was a good idea!along this line of thinking. in practice this means a year in the forces would be in effect a years paid training in one of our best technical colleges. not that it would happen, it would mess up with A levels too much, would likely watered down to another alternative, maybe some boot camp across forces, emergency services or volunteering as a compulsory element.
Yeah some people have a cracking time. Some also die too.As I’ve often said, talk to people who have actually done it and any idea that it’s some magic cure-all to instill some much needed discipline etc soon fades. Unsurprisingly.
My old man did it: chatted up the birds, hung around having tremendous fun playing music and drinking beer in pubs in Germany. My German cousin did it: every photo he has of those days is him and his fellow conscripts roaring drunk, clowning around at what they referred to as the “federal drinking academy”. Maybe not quite what Daily Mail readers/Tories have in mind.