[News] Should we Bring Back National Service? Sunak says YES.

[Uh_huh_him]

Yes. It was meant as a joke.

Whooshed me

Probably a bit too much on the nose.

 

[Berty23]

Whooshed me

Probably a bit too much on the nose.

The “done my bit” thing is my biggest dislike of my dad’s generation. Drives me mad.

 

[Berty23]

Many boomers often act like they won the war and have views that I don’t blame them for. They were also products of the environment they grew up in I guess. My old man was born in 1945. So played no part in the war and very little in rebuilding the country. But somehow acts like he won the thing. I love him dearly and he did serve for ages in the military but let’s not pretend hey pop!

 

[The Clamp]

I find attacks from my generation and older ones on today’s youth so tiresome. Young people are influenced by the environment in which they exist. Who creates that environment? Older generations.

“Kids are on smartphones all the time including in restaurants and pubs while out for family meals” - who invented the screens? Who bought them for the kids? Who allows them to have screens at the table? All of these things are caused by older generations.

“Young people today have a throwaway culture rather than mending things” so who was it who invented all of the plastics that made things so much cheaper? Who taught kids that you throw stuff away rather than replace it?

“Young people don’t have the basic skills I had” - my old man was rarely around when I was a kid as he was in the military but when he was he taught me stuff but mostly it was my mum. All those basic life skills. Cooking, cleaning, ironing, earning pocket money etc.

“Kids expect everything to be given to them rather than working for it” who gives stuff free to kids. Parents and grandparents. And then the same people moan about them wanting things for nothing.

“The young are no good at making their own entertainment anymore” that is because us parents and grandparents are constantly trying to keep them busy. If in doubt chuck them a tablet.

“Young people are overweight and lazy” - who prepares the meals? Us. Who buys them sweets? Us. Some parents struggle for time to cook proper healthy meals because they are working all the time. Who created the situation where we all have to work crazy hours? The kids? Of course not. It is us and older generations.

So basically society loves to point the blame at youngsters but it is on us and older people who have created them. Kids are not born lazy with a bad attitude.

Can’t argue with that.

 

[BLOCK F]

I have to say that when I heard this news this morning, I almost dropped my first cup of the day tea. I couldn’t believe it. What a load of bo——ks.
I write as a 75 year ‘old git.’

 

[Garyoldfan]

Why are people against it ? Would give some little scumbags on our streets a kick up the arse and discipline. I don’t care that it’s the tories who have said it, it works in other countries. I’m fed up with this namby pamby society these days. You wouldn’t have to go to war.

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

Why are people against it ? Would give some little scumbags on our streets a kick up the arse and discipline. I don’t care that it’s the tories who have said it, it works in other countries. I’m fed up with this namby pamby society these days. You wouldn’t have to go to war.

Community service is a forced punishment as a result of a crime. It is a fundamental withdrawal of freedoms as a form of punishment.

We are literally giving all 18 year olds an extra judicial punishment. How is that moral?!

 

[A1X]

Why are people against it ? Would give some little scumbags on our streets a kick up the arse and discipline. I don’t care that it’s the tories who have said it, it works in other countries. I’m fed up with this namby pamby society these days. You wouldn’t have to go to war.

So because a few youngsters are scumbags then collective punishment for the lot of them is…fine?

 

[vegster]

Amazing watching all the pro and con arguments over national service. It's NOT going to happen, the Tories won't even be back in power for probably 8 years. All the time we are fighting over something that will never happen, the Tory government is avoiding scrutiny on the issues that really matter.

 

[nicko31]

Amazing watching all the pro and con arguments over national service. It's NOT going to happen, the Tories won't even be back in power for probably 8 years. All the time we are fighting over something that will never happen, the Tory government is avoiding scrutiny on the issues that really matter.

Just trying to rally the boomers.

The people that think they actually did national service, but didn't.

Cleverly's words interesting, talking of healing division. The very thing that has defined the Tories since Brexit

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I find attacks from my generation and older ones on today’s youth so tiresome. Young people are influenced by the environment in which they exist. Who creates that environment? Older generations.

“Kids are on smartphones all the time including in restaurants and pubs while out for family meals” - who invented the screens? Who bought them for the kids? Who allows them to have screens at the table? All of these things are caused by older generations.

“Young people today have a throwaway culture rather than mending things” so who was it who invented all of the plastics that made things so much cheaper? Who taught kids that you throw stuff away rather than replace it?

“Young people don’t have the basic skills I had” - my old man was rarely around when I was a kid as he was in the military but when he was he taught me stuff but mostly it was my mum. All those basic life skills. Cooking, cleaning, ironing, earning pocket money etc.

“Kids expect everything to be given to them rather than working for it” who gives stuff free to kids. Parents and grandparents. And then the same people moan about them wanting things for nothing.

“The young are no good at making their own entertainment anymore” that is because us parents and grandparents are constantly trying to keep them busy. If in doubt chuck them a tablet.

“Young people are overweight and lazy” - who prepares the meals? Us. Who buys them sweets? Us. Some parents struggle for time to cook proper healthy meals because they are working all the time. Who created the situation where we all have to work crazy hours? The kids? Of course not. It is us and older generations.

So basically society loves to point the blame at youngsters but it is on us and older people who have created them. Kids are not born lazy with a bad attitude.

Whole heartedly agree. Boomers (sadly I am one) and whatever came after that, are a really needy bunch. They are offended by everything and think they are the hardest done by generation. Wankers.

 

[Krafty]

Why are people against it ? Would give some little scumbags on our streets a kick up the arse and discipline. I don’t care that it’s the tories who have said it, it works in other countries. I’m fed up with this namby pamby society these days. You wouldn’t have to go to war.

The “little scumbags” of society are only a small fraction. The majority of 18 year olds are not causing havoc on our streets, instead they are working in jobs, studying in higher education, etc. I don’t think forcing hundreds of thousands to participate in the military or do community service (which is intended to be a punishment of crime) is the right way to go about this. We should be investing in schemes to support the younger generation; especially with their mental wellbeing as they have been living with the internet throughout their life.

 

[Motogull]

It will be a massive pay day for Serco and Sodexo and dare I say all those with shares in those companies.

Now there's a fukken surprise.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Cannot legally die for your country till the age of 18.

Tell that to the Royal Navy. This weekend I have literally been looking at the names of 16 year old boys who died when their ships were sunk.

 

[BadFish]

So because a few youngsters are scumbags then collective punishment for the lot of them is…fine?

Well they are all the same age, so clearly they all deserve it.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'll turn the argument on its head and make a different point and that is the hypocrisy of telling the young they should be compelled to do unpaid "voluntary" work while a whole raft of people 55+ with time on their hands do nothing for their community.

Up and down the country voluntary organisations, committees, parish councils are looking for people to help but it is the same old faces filling multiple roles to put on community events and run local groups.

On a personal level I am a working accountant with 2 teenagers and yet fill a number of unpaid auditor roles and EVERY organisation I deal with has problems with getting a treasurer, and yet there will be a stack of local people retired or semi- retired who could undertake that roll but choose not too.

So let's not pretend it is just the young who need to engage with their community more.

If we need more 'volunteers' to help out in the community because the Government are too incompetent to do it, then this is the answer

I do some work, paid and voluntary with kids in the age group that this Government are targeting with this utterly pathetic dead cat announcement, designed to appeal to the most stupid in society.

And I am so glad it's them that are in control of our future. The vast majority I have worked work with are trying to make society better and are sensible, responsible and committed kids who are so open and welcoming to all, even the stupid, bigoted old sods who have stitched them up. There's not much these days that makes me feel proud, but these kids do.

I believe they have a term to describe it and I think it's called 'woke'

 

[BBassic]

Would give some little scumbags on our streets a kick up the arse and discipline.

Except it wouldn't. At all.

Home secretary says teenagers will not face criminal sanction if they refuse to join military or do volunteer work

‘No one going to jail’ for avoiding UK national service, says Cleverly

Home secretary says teenagers will not face criminal sanction if they refuse to join military or do volunteer work

www.theguardian.com

So these "scumbags" will get their notice, refuse to do it and that'll be that.

It's a farce of a policy announcement. One of the last death rattles of a dying political party soon to be consigned to the history books.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why are people against it ? Would give some little scumbags on our streets a kick up the arse and discipline. I don’t care that it’s the tories who have said it, it works in other countries. I’m fed up with this namby pamby society these days. You wouldn’t have to go to war.

Namby pamby goes back to 1725, so it doesn’t just refer to modern day society.

"All ye Poets of the Age!
All ye Witlings of the Stage!
Learn your Jingles to reform!Crop your Numbers and Conform:
Let your little Verses flowGently, Sweetly, Row by Row:
Let the Verse the Subject fit;
Little Subject, Little Wit.Namby-Pamby is your Guide;
Albion's Joy, Hibernia's Pride

 

[A1X]

Namby pamby goes back to 1725, so it doesn’t just refer to modern day society.

"All ye Poets of the Age!
All ye Witlings of the Stage!
Learn your Jingles to reform!Crop your Numbers and Conform:
Let your little Verses flowGently, Sweetly, Row by Row:
Let the Verse the Subject fit;
Little Subject, Little Wit.Namby-Pamby is your Guide;
Albion's Joy, Hibernia's Pride

 

[Pevenseagull]

What fresh fuckery will we have next week?