[Misc] Should the queen abdicate?

[The Clamp]

Big party on the Thursday , calls in sick on the Friday. Hmmm.

 

[Seagull58]

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If you're going to play the race card you should check the facts. She was referring to a caucasian diplomat who had unusually long arms and a short body, hence the perceived similarity to a gorilla. Is that racist or is it simply that you and others screamed racism because racists compare black people to primates?

 

[Bakero]

If you're going to play the race card you should check the facts. She was referring to a caucasian diplomat who had unusually long arms and a short body, hence the perceived similarity to a gorilla. Is that racist or is it simply that you and others screamed racism because racists compare black people to primates?

Interesting. I did wonder. Is there any evidence to support this?

By the way, accusing people of screaming racism is never a good look.

Edit. Found it. [tweet]1532352174105235457[/tweet] Apologies, Queenie. It wouldn't have been a massive surprise though, would it?

 

[Silverhatch]

Until there's a better option, yes.

We'd fairly much have to rewrite the constitution and parliamentary system. Either we'd exchange a figurehead Queen for a figurehead President who would still need to travel to other countries, attend events and have security detail or we'd need an actual President with executive powers, probably elected from a choice of two, further dividing the country a la Brexit and with the power to bring in almost immediate laws on anything from the culture wars to personal freedom, or we'd call the Prime Minister head of state, in which case we'd have a fat, lecherous liar whose latest achievement was to be booed by a crowd of flag shaggers outside a church.

The Royal Family is the least bad option, so long as they strip back the hangers on and noncey ones.

A completely pared back Monarchy, an end to ALL the bowing and scraping and a new National Anthem that talks to the country - not the monarch - and that the King & Queen sings like the rest of us.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

You don't have to be a Daily Mail reader to realise she has served her Country rather well. I will say no more.

I do sometimes think you have to be a Guardian reader to post on NSC without taking a battering if you want to post on a royalty thread.

 

[Knocky's Nose]

I think she should abdicate and enjoy the final few years of her life, we should skip Charles who can then concentrate on his crackers and jams, and hand it to William - who can then have a long run at it.

 

[Bakero]

I do sometimes think you have to be a Guardian reader to post on NSC without taking a battering if you want to post on a royalty thread.

The polls and posts suggest NSC is pro-monarchy in the main.

 

[Bakero]

I just found out that Big Suze is a minor royal can we make her Queen?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

She doesn't need to but she knows no different life. She's hardly going to have a retirement that she can enjoy and start ticking off things from her bucket list. And if we are being honest, it's not likely to be for much longer.

Sadly, true.

 

[Seagull58]

Interesting. I did wonder. Is there any evidence to support this?

By the way, accusing people of screaming racism is never a good look.

Edit. Found it. [tweet]1532352174105235457[/tweet] Apologies, Queenie. It wouldn't have been a massive surprise though, would it?

This is Walter Annenburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Annenberg

Screaming racism when there is none is never a good look.

That last comment sort of negates your apology, doesn't it/

 

[crodonilson]

Absolutely not, she has commited her life to duty and service and she will do until the day she dies.

 

[Bakero]

This is Walter Annenburg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Annenberg

Screaming racism when there is none is never a good look.

That last comment sort of negates your apology, doesn't it/

Yeah, I saw a picture if him earlier. That's why I apologised.

I don't remember screaming anything btw. But I'll admit the incident isn't as it first seemed. Like I said, I did wonder as David Jason had recounted that anecdote in a very innocent way. My eyebrows weren't the only ones raised upon hearing it though.

But still, it wouldn't be shocking to find out that a 96-year-old monarch who was married to an overt racist had some "old-fashioned" views. It'd be more of a surprise if she didn't.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Reading this has been interesting because a lot of it mirrors my internal conflict when it comes to royalty in general and The Queen in particular.

I'm not fundamentally pre-disposed to inherited privilege, unelected leaders and me paying for it. But....

- given some of the appallingly poor Prime Ministers and party leaders we've had in this country I'm not sure I'd swap someone with the gravitas of The Queen for a presidential election between Johnson and Corbyn. Yuck. So, as much as I say I'm a fan of democracy, democracy serves little purpose when it's Hobson's Choice

- I quite like the check and balance of a head of state without absolute power. But that lack of absolute power means that we really do only have a figurehead. And so we come to the poll question

- if she's able to do the job at age 96 then it really isn't a job, beyond existing and waving. However
- if it's more work than that then a 96 year old really shouldn't be doing it

In short, until we have better politicians in this country, and for all the time that they bring in attention and tourism from abroad the Royals should remain. But the decision on abdication needs to come from The Queen herself, and it needs to be based on how much her current life is taking out of her.

Some of the other family are, however, to use a favourite [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] phrase, ghastly.

We’ve just been fortunate to have landed the Queen - no reason a Johnson or Corbyn equivalent isn’t born into the role of head of state and that’s it you’re stuck with them - as we often were through history. Imagine crowning Andrew our next King - it’s something that could easily have happened, and you’d have no mechanism whatsoever to remove him. None.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

We’ve just been fortunate to have landed the Queen - no reason a Johnson or Corbyn equivalent isn’t born into the role of head of state and that’s it you’re stuck with them - as we often were through history. Imagine crowning Andrew our next King - it’s something that could easily have happened, and you’d have no mechanism whatsoever to remove him. None.

Stanley Baldwin was Prime Minister when Edward was intent on marrying Wallace Simpson. He was instrumental in asking him to abdicate because of the mood of the country. Divorce was an anathema then (and was right up to the end of the 60s). The, then Duke of York, was reluctant to take over as King George VI because of his speech impediment but was persuaded.
Of course, Edward could’ve dug his heels in, and there was no real power to remove him.

 

[Bakero]

This is quite a good read on the prospect of Charles as King https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-have-no-sense-of-caution-only-of-entitlement

 

[Icy Gull]

Stanley Baldwin was Prime Minister when Edward was intent on marrying Wallace Simpson. He was instrumental in asking him to abdicate because of the mood of the country. Divorce was an anathema then (and was right up to the end of the 60s). The, then Duke of York, was reluctant to take over as King George VI because of his speech impediment but was persuaded.
Of course, Edward could’ve dug his heels in, and there was no real power to remove him.

Instead he became a Nazi sympathiser to get his crown back, the country were well rid of him, delighted he was never forgiven and ostracised from the day he abdicated. Weak despicable man.

I went to a couple of restaurants in Cascais that had photos of him on the wall, when he lived there, during his Nazi sympathising days

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Instead he became a Nazi sympathiser to get his crown back, the country were well rid of him, delighted he was never forgiven and ostracised from the day he abdicated. Weak despicable man.

I went to a couple of restaurants in Cascais that had photos of him on the wall, when he lived there, during his Nazi sympathising days

He was a Nazi sympathiser before his abdication, but not once did he regret abdicating.

 

[Dr Bandler]

Wrong Quoted Post - deleted

 

[Dr Bandler]

Error

 

[Icy Gull]

He was a Nazi sympathiser before his abdication, but not once did he regret abdicating.

Strange that he wanted his crown back as a Hitler puppet then