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Sami Hyypia







beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,021
when i saw this i thought he'd been managing a non-leaugue English side. now i see its Leverkusen. so what ex-Liverpool center back am i thinking of?
 


Footsoldier

Banned
May 26, 2013
2,904
Where did I say that I've written him of because of his nationality? I was mealy stating that British managers get clubs promoted (from championship) and that is hard 'facts' whether people like it or not.
 


sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
17,965
town full of eejits
my brother is outside a boozer in durrington and apparently sammy is at the amex and gettin GRILLED as to his asperations as we speak......i should add that my niece works at the ground , told him , and has been a filthy red fan all her adult life so she knows sami hyppia when shes see's him... aaah **** off any way.
 


Footsoldier

Banned
May 26, 2013
2,904
As many others have mentioned, the vast majority of promoted teams were managed by Brits. As were the vast majority of mid-table teams. And come to think of it the relegated teams.

Does this mean it's essential to have a British manager to get promoted, relegated or finish mid-table?

Hyypia has great experience of the English game, plus top level managerial experience. It seems strange to write him off due to his nationality.

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Notters

Well-known member
Oct 20, 2003
24,894
Guiseley
Where did I say that I've written him of because of his nationality? I was mealy stating that British managers get clubs promoted (from championship) and that is hard 'facts' whether people like it or not.

It is indeed hard fact, hard meaningless fact as explained by several people above. It's also a fact that I went on holiday to Canada in 1994, which is about as relevant.
 


Where did I say that I've written him of because of his nationality? I was mealy stating that British managers get clubs promoted (from championship) and that is hard 'facts' whether people like it or not.

Brilliant. Completely disregard all of the common sense arguments that people offer and just stick to your guns, that's a good lad.

Using your logic as soon as Paul Ince gets us promoted to the Premier League we will have to sack him and bring in either a Scot or a Frenchman, as they've won the vast majority of Premier League titles. League success is guaranteed to follow. Because that's how football management works. It's solely based on nationality. :dunce:
 




Footsoldier

Banned
May 26, 2013
2,904
Brilliant. Completely disregard all of the common sense arguments that people offer and just stick to your guns, that's a good lad.

Using your logic as soon as Paul Ince gets us promoted to the Premier League we will have to sack him and bring in either a Scot or a Frenchman, as they've won the vast majority of Premier League titles. League success is guaranteed to follow. Because that's how football management works. It's solely based on nationality. :dunce:

:wozza:
 



That's the logical extension of your argument, no? Most managers that have won promotion from the Championship were British, therefore we should appoint a Brit. Once we get there, the next aim (in theory) will be winning the Premier League, and most managers that have done that were Scottish or French, so we should appoint a Scot or a Frenchman.

My point is that this fallacy highlights the limit of your argument - that it's based off a tiny sample.
 


ConfusedGloryHunter

He/him/his/that muppet
NSC Patron
Jul 6, 2011
2,415
That's the logical extension of your argument, no? Most managers that have won promotion from the Championship were British, therefore we should appoint a Brit. Once we get there, the next aim (in theory) will be winning the Premier League, and most managers that have done that were Scottish or French, so we should appoint a Scot or a Frenchman.

My point is that this fallacy highlights the limit of your argument - that it's based off a tiny sample.

Or if you just want to avoid relegation get yourself a Uruguayan manager - 100% success rate
 




Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
14,903
Almería
Where did I say that I've written him of because of his nationality? I was mealy stating that British managers get clubs promoted (from championship) and that is hard 'facts' whether people like it or not.

I bow down to your powers of logic. You'd better get on the phone to Bloom and let him know before he makes a terrible mistake.
 


Tricky Dicky

New member
Jul 27, 2004
13,558
Sunny Shoreham
Or if you just want to avoid relegation get yourself a Uruguayan manager - 100% success rate

I can't name a single Khazakh manager who's got a team promoted from the Championship - I hope we don't get one of those, we'd stand no chance.
 


HawkTheSeagull

New member
Jan 31, 2012
9,122
Eastbourne
Just to discredit the "British managers are more likely to be promoted than foreign managers" theory....... only FIVE of the 24 managers in the Championship this season werent British or Irish (only 2 last season)...so its obvious why more British managers have gone up !!

For the record, all managers in the last 3 seasons who have been relegated from the Championship have ALL been British - being foreign or not is totally irrelevant.

RE Hyypia, I'd be very, very happy with him as manager.
 




gnjd_85

Member
May 19, 2009
95
I think the last 30 managers to have got relegated from the Championship have all been British, I think the best way to ensure relegation is to hire a Brit.

Someone like Paul Dickov, or Dean Saunders, who knows how to get teams out of this league
 






HawkTheSeagull

New member
Jan 31, 2012
9,122
Eastbourne
2006 was when the last foreign manager was relegated - that was Dario Gradi of Crewe Alexandra (we went down the same year, but who cares about that).

It was 2010 when a foreign manager was last promoted.
 




Zebedee

Anyone seen Florence?
Jul 8, 2003
8,052
Hangleton
Bayer Leverkusen obviously didn't think much of him - so why should we have/want him?
 




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