[Football] Sam Morsy

[Eeyore]

Most church of england christian types are constantly reinterpreting the bible to fit the latest scientific theory. I say if you are going to be christian then have the gumption to stop moving the goalposts and stick with the literal text, God made the earth and all the creatures, only then did he bother making the sun, world is 6,000 years old, the dead can be resurrected, fish can be multiplied, water can be walked upon, virgins can give birth, da da dum

The only two C of E clergy I know here in Brighton are both openly gay. Actually one passed away recently. A dear friend and all round good chap.

The C of E is very split. The urban churches, especially here, have little issue with homosexuality, but a preaching queen would best not take a rural gig.

In many ways it's a cultural reflection of the world over.

 

[Stato]

When are these Ipswich players going to take a proper moral stand and refuse to wear shirts advertising Ed Sheeran albums?

 

[brighton_tom]

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[Madafwo]

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Openly professing your love for another man? Isn't that kind of the point of the whole thing?

 

[SeagullinExile]

No different from the Wrexham bloke refusing to wear a poppy IMO. People sometimes have different beliefs, as long as they don’t preach hatred in a public forum, it’s up to them what they believe isn’t it?

You can’t control what people think, although, some parts of society are desperately trying to!

 

[abc]

No different from the Wrexham bloke refusing to wear a poppy IMO. People sometimes have different beliefs, as long as they don’t preach hatred in a public forum, it’s up to them what they believe isn’t it?

You can’t control what people think, although, some parts of society are desperately trying to!

I think this is the right answer to a difficult question.

We are in a societal phase where people are far to quick to decide something is 'wrong' of 'offensive' simply because they don't agree with someone else's viewpoint and when no crime has been committed. Some of the outpouring of faux outrage on here bears no relation to what this player has actually done. He has chosen not to wear a symbol that others say he should. That is his right in a democratic society - I don't agree with him but it is his right.
Were he to say (for example) 'all gays should be crucified' then he would quite rightly be arrested because that would be a crime.

I do find it disappointing how the use of symbols as an expression has gone from a way of indicating something you believe in (in some people's minds) to saying something that you don't believe in if you don't use wear it. Furthermore, some people or organisations have hi jacked the original meaning of a symbol to promote their singular views. The poppy, for example, was simply a symbol of remembrance. Anti war campaigners (I can guarantee that the veterans who wear their poppy with pride would never want another war) have vilified the poppy as if it is promoting war, which is not only rubbish but undermines the original meaning. The CND symbol is used around the world simply as a symbol of peace. Not wearing it on your armband doesn't mean you don't believe in peace.

 

[Lenny Rider]

It seems to have irked a fair few people.

The Rainbow laces wearing is out of choice, I would imagine if he refused to wear a specific sponsors logo he would be in breach of his contract?

Least dear old Greg Wallace will have someone on top of the neighbouring bonfire to talk to.

 

[Insel affe]

I don't agree with him but it is his right.
Were he to say (for example) 'all gays should be crucified' then he would quite rightly be arrested because that would be a crime.

I am not so confident he can be arrested for saying something like that, I am pretty sure he can say that if he wishes within his circle of like minded folk at say his church, standing on a street corner with a megaphone might just get him trouble though.

Take a gander down to speakers corner, there is some pretty horrific stuff being spouted.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

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It’s Morsy v Guehi tonight coincidentally.

My mate’s boy is the Ipswich mascot tonight so will be walking out with Morsy. Might get a bit more attention and a few more photos than he would otherwise have got!

 

[Insel affe]

It’s Morsy v Guehi tonight coincidentally.

My mate’s boy is the Ipswich mascot tonight so will be walking out with Morsy. Might get a bit more attention and a few more photos than he would otherwise have got!

I hope he has a great night, and gets to celebrate with the team after the match.

 

[Sam Ovett]

Sam Morsy: Ipswich Town captain did not wear rainbow armband because of 'religious beliefs'

Ipswich Town say captain Sam Morsy did not wear a rainbow armband during the Premier League loss at Nottingham Forest because of religious beliefs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Thoughts?…

I think it’s a bit weird.

Would it be acceptable to refuse to wear a ‘kick racism out of football’ logo/armband because ‘I think it’s okay to think my race is superior’ ?

That’s where the ‘it’s his beliefs, we have to allow him to express them’ logic goes.

At some point we have to stop entertaining certain beliefs because it infringes on the rights of others.

If you don’t support the rights of the LGBT community then shame on you. You’re making a comfortable living in the UK, you can wear an armband

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

No different from the Wrexham bloke refusing to wear a poppy IMO. People sometimes have different beliefs, as long as they don’t preach hatred in a public forum, it’s up to them what they believe isn’t it?

You can’t control what people think, although, some parts of society are desperately trying to!

In fairness to the Wrexham bloke he has explained why. The poppy represents Bloody Sunday. He doesn’t have to, but Morsy explaining his reasoning for not wearing the rainbow band may be helpful.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No different from the Wrexham bloke refusing to wear a poppy IMO. People sometimes have different beliefs, as long as they don’t preach hatred in a public forum, it’s up to them what they believe isn’t it?

You can’t control what people think, although, some parts of society are desperately trying to!

I presume the Wrexham guy's reasons are related to the British Army? Whilst I might not agree, I do not have a problem with people opposing an entiity in this way. In one sense, it is no different to boycotting a brand or a shop etc. This is quite different to opposing everyone of a particular race, religion or their sexuality.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

In fairness to the Wrexham bloke he has explained why. The poppy represents Bloody Sunday. He doesn’t have to, but Morsy explaining his reasoning for not wearing the rainbow band may be helpful.

At least he has the balls to explain why. Hiding behind religion is cowardly. I'd have a bit more respect for Morsy owned his belief.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It comes down to the club ultimately.

The club wants to show its support for this cause then it needs to pick an ambassador, at least for this one match, who won't contradict the club's message.

Morsy is within his rights not to wear it, true. Him not actively supporting a cause is not the same as him campaigning against it, also true. People are within their rights to question his motives and hipocrisy, also also true. What has happened now is there is yet another figure in football for homophobes to rally behind.

But what the club has done is prioritise one employee's right to pick and choose whatever aspects of religion they feel like following that day, over sending a message of active support to hundreds of LGBT+ Ipswich fans, employees and probably one or two players too (almost certainly if they have a women's team).

Pick another captain. Shame on Ipswich.

Edit: and let me say as an LGBT fan myself, these messages do matter and it always fills me with pride to see the Albion being active and vocal in this regard every year.

I just wish they'd lock the comment sections on social media so everything didn't get flooded by a world of homophobic ****s who've never been to Brighton.

@Bold Seagull apologies, I started replying in agreement and it ended up in a tirade!

If he is within his rights, then hopefully every sponsor and additional income stream he has, plus Ipswich taking an appropriate view of what their first team captain should represent are all also well within their rights to act accordingly.

It's a bit like many brands withdrawing the advertising from X. You don't want your brand associated with these toxic viewpoints and neither should Ipswich.

 

[Deadly Danson]

No different from the Wrexham bloke refusing to wear a poppy IMO. People sometimes have different beliefs, as long as they don’t preach hatred in a public forum, it’s up to them what they believe isn’t it?

You can’t control what people think, although, some parts of society are desperately trying to!

I think this is just about where I am although I reserve the right to tell him that if he chooses to believe in a made up man in the sky who apparently extoles dumbass, neanderthal, intolerant views then he shouldn't be taking the money from a supposedly inclusive club, should hand back the captaincy and should think about following another imaginary friend who preaches nicer values.

 

[Bold Seagull]

No different from the Wrexham bloke refusing to wear a poppy IMO. People sometimes have different beliefs, as long as they don’t preach hatred in a public forum, it’s up to them what they believe isn’t it?

You can’t control what people think, although, some parts of society are desperately trying to!

It's very different. The poppy is a symbol of rememberance for those that choose to remember. It isn't discriminatory, it doesn't represent a race, religion or nationality given it remembers soldiers from across the Commonwealth.

The rainbow symbol is about the future and inclusivity. It isn't a promotion of views, it is a promotion of everyone being treated equally and given the same chances.

I'm not sure there is much room for allowing a person within a team, or place of work that doesn't believe a LGBT person has an equal right to be along side them and treated equally and fairly. This is the UK and these are the laws we set and abide by.

 

[brightn'ove]

You can have your religious beliefs, but if your interpretation of those beliefs make you an intolerant **** then in my opinion you are allowed to be criticised for those beliefs.

We don’t pussyfoot around the Saudi’s interpretation of Islam and say ‘oh it’s ok it’s their belief that you can stone women in the street’ - we rightly condemn it.

If you are homophobic because of your religion (and any other reason for that matter) you are a ****.

 

[pigmanovich]

At some point we have to stop entertaining certain beliefs because it infringes on the rights of others.

Indeed, and this is what distinguishes a boycott of the rainbow armband from a boycott of the poppy - as pointed out just now by @Bold Seagull

 

[Since1982]

Isn’t it time that religious texts such as the Bible, Koran etc were given a bit of an update to reflect actual real life now? Could make them a bit more inclusive. Can’t see there being any issues doing this.

Plenty of Christians would argue that the Bible is inclusive and anyone who uses it to argue against same sex relationships simply doesn't understand what they are talking about. But I understand your point.