SACK Wilkins NOW

[SeagullEd]

I'm going to be irritating and remain on the fence but there are some pretty convincing arguments to sack him

a) he's had more money than ANY manager at the Withdean has had + a great youth
b) He appear to , in terms of our style of play, made very little improvement, we still have the same problems we did when he took over
c) We are still inconsistent
d) Tactically he is poor and predictable
e) okay, we're not getting relegated but we should be doing better.

I am NOT a fickle fan but they are pretyy strong arguments I'd say. Obviously, there are ones against it which are fairly creditable but it is very hard to say. I know it sounds irritating but I do sometimes long for a sort of more professional outlook. I don't really know what it is I just feel Wilkins and Co present themselves as fairly amateur and when we had Coppel, Adams and McGhee (for a period) at the helm it was professional.

 

[El Presidente]

NSC is always right, we were responsible for getting rid of McGhee, and he has done NOTHING since leaving the Albion of note, his bunch of no hopers today struggled to get a 1-0 victory at Celtic.

 

[Beach Hut]

NSC is always right, we were responsible for getting rid of McGhee, and he has done NOTHING since leaving the Albion of note, his bunch of no hopers today struggled to get a 1-0 victory at Celtic.

Yep and handed the title to Rangers - bad manager

 

[clapham_gull]

NSC is always right, we were responsible for getting rid of McGhee, and he has done NOTHING since leaving the Albion of note, his bunch of no hopers today struggled to get a 1-0 victory at Celtic.

They only drew the first 32 minutes though.

 

[clapham_gull]

Yep and handed the title to Rangers - bad manager

Trust you to post something SECTARIAN

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I did post a thread saying Wilkins has proved me wrong. Well he has as after last seasons debacle I honestly thought with a full season in charge there was a great chance he would get us relegated. He has not done so but I still believe we are in no better position now after 18 months than when the supporters got McGhee sacked and if McGhee had stayed we would have got promotion within these 2 seasons with the youth players, money Wilkins has been given.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

But there is no point in sacking Wilkins now. He will keep the club ticking along for a couple of seasons and we will get a " Big Name " manager when we start at Falmer I would predict, it is 2-3 more seasons of division 3 football to come first so brace yourselves.

 

[dougdeep]

If McGhee had stayed we would have got promotion within these 2 seasons with the youth players, money Wilkins has been given.

Of course we would, and filled the ground for every game.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

crowds were just under 7000 in division 3 for the few games before he was sacked, get your stats out, with wilkins they have fallen to under 5000 on numerous occassions

 

[Barrel of Fun]

a) he's had more money than ANY manager at the Withdean has had + a great youth
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I don't really know what it is I just feel Wilkins and Co present themselves as fairly amateur and when we had Coppel, Adams and McGhee (for a period) at the helm it was professional.

He hasn't had more money than McGhee or they are on a pretty similar level. The fact is, we have been a team (playing staff wise) in decline since our survival on the last day of the season vs Ipswich. We effectively lost the core of our team and they have/had been replaced with former youth players and loan signings. He has had more money that Peter Taylor and Coppell, but they had a ready made team in place with only the need for a few additions.

Last season, did we actually have a player that was capable of scoring 10+ a season? I wouldn't have been happy putting money on any of our strikers.

As for the great youth point, they are bound to be inconsistent. It is very rare for a player to be the finished product so early in their career! We were too reliant on the youth and it is now something that is being addressed.

We appear to have sorted out the defence (although we must sign Richards permanently) and the strike force is looking good (need some backup), but our midfield will be weak when we lose our loanees. Barry Lloyd seems to point out that we are going to have a clear out of sorts and hopefully we can bring in some permanent midfielders rather than chop and change things all the time.

Why do you see the management team as being amateur?

 

[Silent Bob]

I did post a thread saying Wilkins has proved me wrong. Well he has as after last seasons debacle I honestly thought with a full season in charge there was a great chance he would get us relegated. He has not done so but I still believe we are in no better position now after 18 months than when the supporters got McGhee sacked and if McGhee had stayed we would have got promotion within these 2 seasons with the youth players, money Wilkins has been given.

Genuine question here US, do you ever find that you actually BORE yourself?

 

[Caveman]

My God, what a bunch of c u n ts.

 

[ram1992]

and bring in who instead? then give them a year and if we don't rape the league sack them aswell? behave. we're a much better team than last year.

OK , i admit , maybe i was a bit harsh and caught in the action and emotions of yesterday.

But you have to admit that wilkins didnt even change the formation or anything yesterday when we were losing and only made a sub when we shouted at him !

oh well

 

[BigGully]

We have progressed from last season, yes, but it's no good moving at a snail's pace. At this rate, we'll win promotion in about three years. That's not going to make people want to watch us in the meantime. To be honest, I'd be happier with Wilkins if he made some sort of attempt to entertain and excite, even if we didn't win every week. Boring, negative football + results like today = manger criticised.

And you wonder why we as fans are looked upon as idiotic fools by people within the professional game !!!

 

[butchy]

and bring in who instead? then give them a year and if we don't rape the league sack them aswell? behave. we're a much better team than last year.

you know when to smile wryly

 

[Guy Fawkes]

We have progressed from last season, yes, but it's no good moving at a snail's pace. At this rate, we'll win promotion in about three years. That's not going to make people want to watch us in the meantime. To be honest, I'd be happier with Wilkins if he made some sort of attempt to entertain and excite, even if we didn't win every week. Boring, negative football + results like today = manger criticised.

And how long did Mickey Adams have before he brought success -- not until his HIS THIRD SEASON AND IT WAS IN A DIVISION LOWER ffs

Get off Wilkins back, why on earth after losing one game at home this year is there a need to sack the manager?

Idiots like you who think he deserves to go are just making themselves look like complete morons, we were one of the favourites for relegation, yet we are just of the playoff places, and there is still a chance to make it, we have been plaing far beeter, more entertaining football sfor a long time, far better stuff than we had with Taylor or Mcghee imo.

How does so called fans getting on our players backs after a few minutes helping? like some of the idiots were on saturday. why do these fans think it would inspire the players to do better? - maybe we woulda won a forest and leeds if instead of cheering them on, the fans present just moaned, and critised and complained.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I'm going to be irritating and remain on the fence but there are some pretty convincing arguments to sack him


b) He appear to , in terms of our style of play, made very little improvement, we still have the same problems we did when he took over
c) We are still inconsistent
d) Tactically he is poor and predictable
e) okay, we're not getting relegated but we should be doing better.

really, based on watching how many games this season? from what i have watched over the last several seasons:
We have not lost at home this year until saturday
we play football by passing it on the deck, not hoofing it

So we had one bad game, preceeded by 2 excellent ones, means we should sack the manager? Swansea lost to bournemouth so should their manager go?
Man utd only drew today so should Fergie get sacked?

you cant win every game, and all teams have a bad game now and then.

To me we seem to have a lot of "fans" who expect things instantly, go a goal down in the first 5 minutes, they panic and worry that if we don't score straight away it's a disaster and the manager or players are rubbish and should go. ffs
forgeting that there is still plenty of time, and we are more than capable of scoring in the remaining time to win the game, as we have done this season.

just because the manager or players dont panic like these fans and they continue to try to play football in the right way, should they get all this stick?

 

[SeagullEd]

A lot to reply to so here goes:

I would almost gaurantee he has had more money, in terms of both sales and buys. Under McGhee, if I remember correctly we sold more then £2 million of players and spent probably £250 k roughly I would imagine. Under Wilkins we have sold perhaps £500 000 maximum and spent that.

I said I wasn't sure why I felt that way, but I do. Perhaps it is because I don't see much progress being made, just the same mistakes and wrong-doings. Wilkins is not a very big character and I don't really feel secure or trust him and his management.

Guy Fawkes:

That is SUCH a different situation that you have presented yourself as an absolute idiot. Adams took over when we were fighting against relegation in what was Division 3, he then kept us up, consolidated our position and got us promoted. Wilkins has taken over a team that went up to Championship, came back down, went up to Championship, stayed there, then came back done. VERY different situations. I agree to an extent about the moaning but it is one of the only ways we can voice our displeasure at team selection and performance. For instance, I think Mayo is a very weak link.

On your second comment. Not quite sure why I need to validate myself but I will. Season ticket for 4 years, been to, this year, about 10 - 15 away games and roughly 5 reserves matches. In the past 3 season I have been to a similar number of away games and more reserve games.

We have not lost until saturday at home. But we have been very defensive. We have done well with some games, I will say that. But on an individual game basis Port Vale should have been a win. Playing it on the floor? I'm beginning to wonder what you've been watching. We have for quite a while, I'd admit that, but not consistantly. What did Lynch and mayo and others do when they got the ball? Hoof it. We don't play ' on deck' every game and never for the full game.

I didn't say we should sack him, I was just presenting a case. No, not because of one game. Did you even read my post? Most of my assessments were on the whole season. I believe that games summed a lot of our problems up, however. I know we can't win every game, which is why I am pleased with draws sometimes.

I would not say they tried to play football in the right way whatsoever yesterday. Were you even there? As for Forest and leeds, both of which I attended, I do agree we played well. But some of his management decisions left something to be desired I believe.

 

[Dave the OAP]

NSC is always right, we were responsible for getting rid of McGhee, and he has done NOTHING since leaving the Albion of note, his bunch of no hopers today struggled to get a 1-0 victory at Celtic.

Yes that was all our fault according to Sir Dick of Knight though wasn't it!!!

We had lost faith in him and we wanted him gone....seemly


Still that is water under the bridge.

Wilkins has his good points, his badpoints and his effing frustrating points....but it would be dull if we had Benites as manager

 

[Barrel of Fun]

A lot to reply to so here goes:

I would almost gaurantee he has had more money, in terms of both sales and buys. Under McGhee, if I remember correctly we sold more then £2 million of players and spent probably £250 k roughly I would imagine. Under Wilkins we have sold perhaps £500 000 maximum and spent that.

I said I wasn't sure why I felt that way, but I do. Perhaps it is because I don't see much progress being made, just the same mistakes and wrong-doings. Wilkins is not a very big character and I don't really feel secure or trust him and his management.

I was counting Henderson, CKR, Frutos, Carole and Turienzo (I am pretty sure we bought the last three from agents for over £300k), which comes to about £400k, so less it seems!

However, the crucial point is that we have sold many key players over the past few years and they have not been fully replaced with an experienced figure. The midfield of Oatway and Carpenter that served us so well was broken up... Lack of depth at left-back, lacking a natural right-back. Not a single striker capable of scoring more than 10 goals (or so) last year.

I am not trying to turn this into a McGhee vs Wilkins debate. More the fact that we are having to rebuild and he has only had one pre-season to take advantage of the transfer window properly. It is a gradual process and we are strengthening in the right areas and can hopefully get the right bodies in the midfield.