SACK Wilkins NOW

[shaun_rc]

Does seem ridiculous that some people on here seem to think we have a divine right to be in The Championship (if not the Prem) with no money and no stadium.

Yesterday was rubbish but look where we are in the table? How do you think the confidence of the players is going to be improved by shouting abuse at them?

The way the club has been run over the last few years has been great as far as I can see, I'd say leave Deano (and above all DK) alone

 

[Soul Finger]

Genuine question here US, do you ever find that you actually BORE yourself?

Brilliant. I was just thinking that.

Tedium personified.

 

[SeagullEd]

1) I don't think we have a divine right whatsoever. BUt we've been there with less then we have now. Another attraction now is that we're definetly getting Falmer!!! REJOICE


2) Barrel of Fun, very interesting point. We, for so long, said we needed an experienced striker and we got Nicky Forster, WE also got Glenn Murray. They are fairly recent editions but considering what we did with what we had versus what we're doing with what we've got...it's debateable.

 

[Caveman]

1) I don't think we have a divine right whatsoever. BUt we've been there with less then we have now. Another attraction now is that we're definetly getting Falmer!!! REJOICE

So you obviously forgot about Zamora.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

A lot to reply to so here goes:

I would almost gaurantee he has had more money, in terms of both sales and buys. Under McGhee, if I remember correctly we sold more then £2 million of players and spent probably £250 k roughly I would imagine. Under Wilkins we have sold perhaps £500 000 maximum and spent that.

I said I wasn't sure why I felt that way, but I do. Perhaps it is because I don't see much progress being made, just the same mistakes and wrong-doings. Wilkins is not a very big character and I don't really feel secure or trust him and his management.

Guy Fawkes:

That is SUCH a different situation that you have presented yourself as an absolute idiot. Adams took over when we were fighting against relegation in what was Division 3, he then kept us up, consolidated our position and got us promoted. Wilkins has taken over a team that went up to Championship, came back down, went up to Championship, stayed there, then came back done. VERY different situations. I agree to an extent about the moaning but it is one of the only ways we can voice our displeasure at team selection and performance. For instance, I think Mayo is a very weak link.

On your second comment. Not quite sure why I need to validate myself but I will. Season ticket for 4 years, been to, this year, about 10 - 15 away games and roughly 5 reserves matches. In the past 3 season I have been to a similar number of away games and more reserve games.

We have not lost until saturday at home. But we have been very defensive. We have done well with some games, I will say that. But on an individual game basis Port Vale should have been a win. Playing it on the floor? I'm beginning to wonder what you've been watching. We have for quite a while, I'd admit that, but not consistantly. What did Lynch and mayo and others do when they got the ball? Hoof it. We don't play ' on deck' every game and never for the full game.

I didn't say we should sack him, I was just presenting a case. No, not because of one game. Did you even read my post? Most of my assessments were on the whole season. I believe that games summed a lot of our problems up, however. I know we can't win every game, which is why I am pleased with draws sometimes.

I would not say they tried to play football in the right way whatsoever yesterday. Were you even there? As for Forest and leeds, both of which I attended, I do agree we played well. But some of his management decisions left something to be desired I believe.

I have been watching the Albion for 20 years +, including all home games at Gillingham, and as a season ticket every season at Withdean, I was at Leeds and Forest too, so yes I do watch them

In response to budgets etc between McGhee and Wilkins, Wilkins has had to spend that much to try to return it to the level it was when McGhee took over, so McGhee got over £2m in (your figure) but how much of that was forced sales because the player refused to play for McGhee, ie, McCammon, Knight, CKR etc... Had Wilkins taken over in the closed season instead of giving McGhee a few games untuil the close of the transfer window, would CKR have left, would he have got us back to being a championship team? and McGhee had money to spend, but players we targeted refused to join us, eg. we offered over £100k for one player, the fee was agreed, but the player turned us down. Also what was left to sell at the time?

McGhee made mistakes tactically, (publically criticising players, negative jibes at his squad, negative substitutuions) as does every manager in football, so why so hostile towards Wilkins when he makes an error yet there hasn't been the same hostility towards our other managers in the past?

In referring to Adams, and how long he took to rebuild, I believe the point is valid, look at what Wilkins inherited when he took over, mostly kids, and they still needed time to learn, gain experience and develop like any other young player. Adams spent and changed the entire squad when he took over, with only Mayo, who was on a long contract surviving, he didn't have to use just what was there already, and still took until his 3rd season to gain promotion. Did Adams have have the fans constantly moan and whinge about him, some of the players, the manager, the board, the ground, the food or the weather?

I think Wilkins has done very well, The youngsters are coming through and getting better all the time, he has made some good signings, he has improved the style of play during his reign, so why do some have this knee jerk reaction whenever we have just one bad result?

Your comment about Mayo is laughable, why have a go at him, he has done brilliantly since he has come back into the team, in the Vale games, some of the other players had a poor game, but not him, yet you pick on Mayo - why?

 

[Mendoza]

Albion fans bring a whole new meaning to the word FICKLE

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Does seem ridiculous that some people on here seem to think we have a divine right to be in The Championship (if not the Prem) with no money and no stadium.

Yesterday was rubbish but look where we are in the table? How do you think the confidence of the players is going to be improved by shouting abuse at them?

The way the club has been run over the last few years has been great as far as I can see, I'd say leave Deano (and above all DK) alone

spot on, I agree 100% with you

 

[Barrel of Fun]

...but considering what we did with what we had versus what we're doing with what we've got...it's debateable.

It has been downhill on the striker front since we got promoted with Leon Knight really. Our only saving grace was the transformation of Virgo and goals coming regularly from the midfield. 39 league goals in our relegation season paints the sort of picture of the state of our team AND we lost our top scorer, CKR (6 goals) at the start of last season.

 

[BensGrandad]

A lot to reply to so here goes:


Adams took over when we were fighting against relegation in what was Division 3, he then kept us up, consolidated our position and got us promoted. .

Wrong Adams took over when Brian Horton left to join Port Vale having just failed to make the play offs so we were nowhere near relegation when MA took over.

Rumour has it that MA got the job because he told DK the entire squad was crap and needed replacing except a few.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Wrong Adams took over when Brian Horton left to join Port Vale having just failed to make the play offs so we were nowhere near relegation when MA took over.

You are wrong as well.

Adams took over from Jeff Wood. When Horton left In January we were in playoff contention. Wood's run of 2 wins 2 draws and 9 loses saw us fall to about 17th he was replaced by Adams for the final 6 games of that season. We only finished 8 points above relegation that season so your statement of "nowhere near relegation when MA took over" is hugely wrong.

 

[Storer68]

If you want to see the progress made by other clubs, look at the final Division 2 table from 2001....... OH AND WE WER BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM THEN!

Reading in the Premier League, cardiff settles in the cjhampionship and now looking forward to a Cup Final, Stoke - settled in the Championship, bristol City looking to go up into the premier League, QPR - in the Championship, wigan - in the premier Leaague, even Colchester FFS

C 1 1 Brighton & Hove Albion 46 25 15 6 66 42 24 90
P 2 2 Reading 46 23 15 8 70 43 27 84
PL 3 3 Brentford 46 24 11 11 77 43 34 83
PL 4 4 Cardiff City 46 23 14 9 75 50 25 83
P 5 5 Stoke City 46 23 11 12 67 40 27 80
PL 6 6 Huddersfield Town 46 21 15 10 65 47 18 78
7 7 Bristol City 46 21 10 15 68 53 15 73
8 8 Queens Park Rangers 46 19 14 13 60 49 11 71
9 9 Oldham Athletic 46 18 16 12 77 65 12 70
10 10 Wigan Athletic 46 16 16 14 66 51 15 64
11 11 Wycombe Wanderers 46 17 13 16 58 64 -6 64
12 12 Tranmere Rovers 46 16 15 15 63 60 3 63
13 13 Swindon Town 46 15 14 17 46 56 -10 59
14 14 Port Vale 46 16 10 20 51 62 -11 58
15 15 Colchester United 46 15 12 19 65 76 -11 57
16 16 Blackpool 46 14 14 18 66 69 -3 56
17 17 Peterborough United 46 15 10 21 64 59 5 55
18 18 Chesterfield 46 13 13 20 53 65 -12 52
19 19 Notts County 46 13 11 22 59 71 -12 50
20 20 Northampton Town 46 14 7 25 54 79 -25 49
R 21 21 AFC Bournemouth 46 10 14 22 56 71 -15 44
R 22 22 Bury 46 11 11 24 43 75 -32 44
R 23 23 Wrexham 46 11 10 25 56 89 -33 43
R 24 24 Cambridge United

 

[Guy Fawkes]

If you want to see the progress made by other clubs, look at the final Division 2 table from 2001....... OH AND WE WER BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM THEN!

Reading in the Premier League, cardiff settles in the cjhampionship and now looking forward to a Cup Final, Stoke - settled in the Championship, bristol City looking to go up into the premier League, QPR - in the Championship, wigan - in the premier Leaague, even Colchester FFS

C 1 1 Brighton & Hove Albion 46 25 15 6 66 42 24 90
P 2 2 Reading 46 23 15 8 70 43 27 84
PL 3 3 Brentford 46 24 11 11 77 43 34 83
PL 4 4 Cardiff City 46 23 14 9 75 50 25 83
P 5 5 Stoke City 46 23 11 12 67 40 27 80
PL 6 6 Huddersfield Town 46 21 15 10 65 47 18 78
7 7 Bristol City 46 21 10 15 68 53 15 73
8 8 Queens Park Rangers 46 19 14 13 60 49 11 71
9 9 Oldham Athletic 46 18 16 12 77 65 12 70
10 10 Wigan Athletic 46 16 16 14 66 51 15 64
11 11 Wycombe Wanderers 46 17 13 16 58 64 -6 64
12 12 Tranmere Rovers 46 16 15 15 63 60 3 63
13 13 Swindon Town 46 15 14 17 46 56 -10 59
14 14 Port Vale 46 16 10 20 51 62 -11 58
15 15 Colchester United 46 15 12 19 65 76 -11 57
16 16 Blackpool 46 14 14 18 66 69 -3 56
17 17 Peterborough United 46 15 10 21 64 59 5 55
18 18 Chesterfield 46 13 13 20 53 65 -12 52
19 19 Notts County 46 13 11 22 59 71 -12 50
20 20 Northampton Town 46 14 7 25 54 79 -25 49
R 21 21 AFC Bournemouth 46 10 14 22 56 71 -15 44
R 22 22 Bury 46 11 11 24 43 75 -32 44
R 23 23 Wrexham 46 11 10 25 56 89 -33 43
R 24 24 Cambridge United

So where were Forest and Leeds then? - and they look like they will have to settle for play off places this season, and we are close to them in the league, and also how many of the other teams in that league have been hampered by an eight year battle for planning permission? or play in a temporary athletic stadium?

How many fans can the stadiums in the championship hold compared to Withdean, - so could we compete fairly on income terms?

Colchester are being relegated, QPR have multi millionaire investors in Ecclestone and Co, as do Wigan. Reading have a far better stadium that us, as do stoke

Bristol City are over achieving this year, by how many years in a row were they in thew play-offs before finally going up compared to us?


Given that there is no way that any club can budget for that long a battle for planning permission, and the massive drain it would place on the clubs finances this would create, where do you seriously believe we should be in the leagues?

 

[NS Herald]

How this has got to 3 pages is quite amazing.

First of all our so called 'super-fan' Ernest posts a completely twattish thread which is designed to - well I'm not sure what his thinking is behind it - humour perhaps?

Probably more a case of attention seeking but none the less still twattish from someone we keep hearing has been supporting the Albion since Jesus was a baby etc. etc. etc.

Now most people know his wind ups reasonably well but this particualr one is senseless, divisive and complete bollocks.

If he really is a 'proper' fan then post something more sensible or don't bother posting at all - TWAT!!

 

[BensGrandad]

You are wrong as well.

Adams took over from Jeff Wood. When Horton left In January we were in playoff contention. Wood's run of 2 wins 2 draws and 9 loses saw us fall to about 17th he was replaced by Adams for the final 6 games of that season. We only finished 8 points above relegation that season so your statement of "nowhere near relegation when MA took over" is hugely wrong.

Sorry memory is playing havoc with me as I was sure that Horton left later than January and MA came in during the close season but it would appear that I am wrong.

Horton has always been acredited with starting the rebuild of the squad that was continued by MA.

 

[Row Z Creased Shirt]

So where were Forest and Leeds then? - and they look like they will have to settle for play off places this season, and we are close to them in the league, and also how many of the other teams in that league have been hampered by an eight year battle for planning permission? or play in a temporary athletic stadium?

How many fans can the stadiums in the championship hold compared to Withdean, - so could we compete fairly on income terms?

Colchester are being relegated, QPR have multi millionaire investors in Ecclestone and Co, as do Wigan. Reading have a far better stadium that us, as do stoke

Bristol City are over achieving this year, by how many years in a row were they in thew play-offs before finally going up compared to us?


Given that there is no way that any club can budget for that long a battle for planning permission, and the massive drain it would place on the clubs finances this would create, where do you seriously believe we should be in the leagues?

Absolutely, a quite utterly ridiculous comparison from S68.

 

[Storer68]

The argument is all about PROGRESS, and we haven't made ANY.

I started watching this club when they were 10th in the old Division Three in 1975.........

and in 2008 we are ninth in division Three.

So in 33 years we have moved up ONE place in English football.

But I supoose that is progress.............................

 

[Guy Fawkes]

The argument is all about PROGRESS, and we haven't made ANY.

I started watching this club when they were 10th in the old Division Three in 1975.........

and in 2008 we are ninth in division Three.

So in 33 years we have moved up ONE place in English football.

But I supoose that is progress.............................

A ridculous way to look at whether the club is doing well or not

Surely then by that sentiment, anyone who became a fan in 1983 should expect us to be FA Cup finalists every year, or what about those who became fans during the dark days when we almost went out of business and finished 2nd bottom of the football league, should we continue to finish there because the fans of every other league club in the country thinks they should be above us because they were then?

Look what the club has been though in the last 15 years, do you think that would not have had an effect on the progress the club has, and will make in the future?

When Falmer is finally finished and we start playing there, we will have a more suitable ground in which we can compete with championship clubs, and hopefully progress further. and success we get between then and now imo is a bonus.

 

[Skaville]

we play football by passing it on the deck, not hoofing it

That's an absolutely key point for me. Deano has them playing the right way PLUS we are doing okay in terms of league position etc. I would argue that there has been good VFM at Withdean this season compared to the past few. We have scored plenty of goals. If anything we need to get a bit better at grinding out results but even on Saturday when the entire squad had a bad game we made chances and scored twice.

I'm still perplexed with the low crowds, but I put that down to the tedium factor of Withdean and a season that has not seen a sustained promotion challenge or relegation dogfight. So many games have been crucial over the past few years and that keeps people in the habit of going. They'll be back next year when we have a more sustained play off's/automatic promotion challenge.

 

[The Large One]

If you want to see the progress made by other clubs, look at the final Division 2 table from 2001....... OH AND WE WER BETTER THAN ALL OF THEM THEN!

Reading in the Premier League, cardiff settles in the cjhampionship and now looking forward to a Cup Final, Stoke - settled in the Championship, bristol City looking to go up into the premier League, QPR - in the Championship, wigan - in the premier Leaague, even Colchester FFS

C 1 1 Brighton & Hove Albion 46 25 15 6 66 42 24 90
P 2 2 Reading 46 23 15 8 70 43 27 84
PL 3 3 Brentford 46 24 11 11 77 43 34 83
PL 4 4 Cardiff City 46 23 14 9 75 50 25 83
P 5 5 Stoke City 46 23 11 12 67 40 27 80
PL 6 6 Huddersfield Town 46 21 15 10 65 47 18 78
7 7 Bristol City 46 21 10 15 68 53 15 73
8 8 Queens Park Rangers 46 19 14 13 60 49 11 71
9 9 Oldham Athletic 46 18 16 12 77 65 12 70
10 10 Wigan Athletic 46 16 16 14 66 51 15 64
11 11 Wycombe Wanderers 46 17 13 16 58 64 -6 64
12 12 Tranmere Rovers 46 16 15 15 63 60 3 63
13 13 Swindon Town 46 15 14 17 46 56 -10 59
14 14 Port Vale 46 16 10 20 51 62 -11 58
15 15 Colchester United 46 15 12 19 65 76 -11 57
16 16 Blackpool 46 14 14 18 66 69 -3 56
17 17 Peterborough United 46 15 10 21 64 59 5 55
18 18 Chesterfield 46 13 13 20 53 65 -12 52
19 19 Notts County 46 13 11 22 59 71 -12 50
20 20 Northampton Town 46 14 7 25 54 79 -25 49
R 21 21 AFC Bournemouth 46 10 14 22 56 71 -15 44
R 22 22 Bury 46 11 11 24 43 75 -32 44
R 23 23 Wrexham 46 11 10 25 56 89 -33 43
R 24 24 Cambridge United

And by the same token, Chesterfield (the REAL champions the season before), Brentford, Wycombe, Bury, Peterborough United, Notts County and Wrexham are all in Division 4 - those last two fighting to stay in the league. Cambridge aren't in the league, and Bournemouth are fighting for their survival.

So why did you choose the end of 2002 as your yardstick? Why not the end of the 1999/2000 season (our first at Withdean), or the 1996/97 season? Or the 1964/65 season?

Totally random argument amounting to... f*** all.

 

[MORTY]

And by the same token, Chesterfield (the REAL champions the season before), Brentford, Wycombe, Bury, Peterborough United, Notts County and Wrexham are all in Division 4 - those last two fighting to stay in the league. Cambridge aren't in the league, and Bournemouth are fighting for their survival.

So why did you choose the end of 2002 as your yardstick? Why not the end of the 1999/2000 season (our first at Withdean), or the 1996/97 season? Or the 1964/65 season?

Totally random argument amounting to... f*** all.

Well said!