[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

 

[raymondo]

More sanctions results

 

[fly high]

More sanctions results

So no real allegiance to Russia then.

 

[raymondo]

So no real allegiance to Russia then.

How much is he paid to say "I value Moscow...". So he values genocide and war crimes...hmmm nice guy.

 

[Eric the meek]

And another one. This time, it's Belgium.

There seems to be a bit of momentum against Russian oil/gas/refined products/shadow fleet etc.
It's almost as if it is co-ordinated.

 

[raymondo]

And another one. This time, it's Belgium.

There seems to be a bit of momentum against Russian oil/gas/refined products/shadow fleet etc.
It's almost as if it is co-ordinated.

Yes, lots of recent activity, most likely coordinated

 

[Ethelwulf]

It all hinges on Trump

 

[Algernon]

It all hinges on Trump

It all hinges on unhinged Trump.
I can't work out if;
Trump is terrified of Putin
Or
Trump is completely funking thick.
It's possibly both.

 

[Eric the meek]

It all hinges on unhinged Trump.
I can't work out if;
Trump is terrified of Putin
Or
Trump is completely funking thick.
It's possibly both.

It also can't work if Putin is unhinged as well, and unwilling to compromise.

Perhaps the extra sanctions are being applied on the off chance that the peace talks won't begin in earnest until Putin is dragged to them, kicking and screaming, after Russia's economy has begun to properly collapse. We may still be a few months off that yet.

 

[Eric the meek]

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Oh dear, so sad....

Anyway...

 

[Triggaaar]

It also can't work if Putin is unhinged as well, and unwilling to compromise.

Perhaps the extra sanctions are being applied on the off chance that the peace talks won't begin in earnest until Putin is dragged to them, kicking and screaming, after Russia's economy has begun to properly collapse. We may still be a few months off that yet.

I'm not expecting anything from these amazing peace talks

 

[jcdenton08]

It all hinges on Trump

A terrifying thought

 

[Eric the meek]

I'm not expecting anything from these amazing peace talks

I don't know what we should be expecting from them, despite the timescale having moved from a ridiculous 24 hours, out to a more realistic 100 days. This may be a reflection of the transition from 'campaign Trump', to 'President Trump'. Bollocks vs 'reality'.

But, and this may be wishful thinking, it may also be a reflection that Putin, despite his public bravado and nonchalance, may be keen for a ceasefire, so they are making him wait. Give the new sanctions time to hit home etc.

A couple of reports I have read recently, both unconfirmed, are that Putin has requested a meeting with Trump, and Trump has refused ! Is this bollocks or reality?

 

[Eric the meek]

A terrifying thought

It's not as terrifying when you consider that the person doing the to-ing and fro-ing will not be Trump, but General Keith Kellogg.

 

[raymondo]

I don't know what we should be expecting from them, despite the timescale having moved from a ridiculous 24 hours, out to a more realistic 100 days. This may be a reflection of the transition from 'campaign Trump', to 'President Trump'. Bollocks vs 'reality'.

But, and this may be wishful thinking, it may also be a reflection that Putin, despite his public bravado and nonchalance, may be keen for a ceasefire, so they are making him wait. Give the new sanctions time to hit home etc.

A couple of reports I have read recently, both unconfirmed, are that Putin has requested a meeting with Trump, and Trump has refused ! Is this bollocks or reality?

There is an awful lot of ',semi official ' chat and blah blah going on from both sides: Putin and Peskov statements, Russian propaganda TV threatening bollocks, Trump's stuff (seeming to play up to Putin sometimes), Kellog making calm statements....and against all this background:
- sanctions keep increasing in ways that look very coordinated and focused
- Ukraine keeps hitting oil storage and refineries on pretty much a daily basis (which is frankly astonishing!)
- Russia continues to have serious problems with its economy and currency

As you alluded to, the longer the delay to any talks, the likelihood that Russia weakens further.

 

[Eric the meek]

There is an awful lot of ',semi official ' chat and blah blah going on from both sides: Putin and Peskov statements, Russian propaganda TV threatening bollocks, Trump's stuff (seeming to play up to Putin sometimes), Kellog making calm statements....and against all this background:
- sanctions keep increasing in ways that look very coordinated and focused
- Ukraine keeps hitting oil storage and refineries on pretty much a daily basis (which is frankly astonishing!)
- Russia continues to have serious problems with its economy and currency

As you alluded to, the longer the delay to any talks, the likelihood that Russia weakens further.

Yep. All of that. Time is not on Russia's side. Especially in the climate of sharply increasing, precisely targeted sanctions.
The peace talks are Russia's lifeline. They are the last chance saloon.

It seems that everything is designed to bring Russia to the table. Now is the time.
The world is moving sharply against Russia. China is watching, waiting. And it is not Russia's friend.

 

[happypig]

It's not as terrifying when you consider that the person doing the to-ing and fro-ing will not be Trump, but General Keith Kellogg.

I expect he'll get a frostie reception.