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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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GoldstoneVintage
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True dat. I actually watched another video by him a few months ago. He certainly knows his stuff.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Is he by any chance hinting that Russia has a debt crisis?
- Aug 24, 2020
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The paper linked below, - may - constitute the guts of the peace deal put to Russia and Ukraine. Kellogg co-authored it in April, and has since been appointed as envoy.
A lot could still happen of course. I have only skim-read it.
www.theguardian.com
linked paper:
americafirstpolicy.com
A lot could still happen of course. I have only skim-read it.
Trump’s Ukraine envoy pick proposed forcing peace talks by withdrawing US weapons
In a co-authored document presented to Trump in April, Keith Kellogg also said US should give Ukraine more weapons if Russia didn’t join negotiations
www.theguardian.com
linked paper:
America First, Russia, & Ukraine
Russia’s ongoing war against Ukraine was an avoidable crisis that, due to the Biden Administration’s incompetent policies and rejection of the America First approach to national security, has entangled America in an endless war.
americafirstpolicy.com
Mental Lental
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I suspect Trump thinks he’s gonna be able to “art of the deal” peace in Ukraine. He’ll offer up the deal of Russia keeping Donbas and Crimea. Threaten Zelensky with complete withdrawal of US aid if he doesn’t accept. Maybe threaten Putin with NATO involvement if he doesn’t accept on his end.
Both Zelensky and Putin will tell him to get bent and it’ll be another one for the gigantic broken promises pile.
Both Zelensky and Putin will tell him to get bent and it’ll be another one for the gigantic broken promises pile.
GoldstoneVintage
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Yep. Can't see Ukraine ceding territory and quite frankly, why the f*** should they? If Putin gets to keep what he stole, there'll be no lasting peace.
- Aug 24, 2020
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On YouTube, a few people (Jake Broe, Mark Biernot) are suggesting that something has happened in Russia. Something that we don't know about. Jake Broe says that the steep fall in the ruble is insiders telling other insiders to get their money out.
If there is, it still may or may not be good for Ukraine
Ruble moving in the wrong direction this am (for Russia that is - chuckle, titter).
- Aug 24, 2020
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Agreed. Russia is likely to become an even more unpredictable, dangerous, febrile place than it already is.If there is, it still may or may not be good for Ukraine
I've now read the AFPI paper...it took a while. Lots of information in there that we knew, and additional things, that possibly were known but I'd forgotten.The paper linked below, - may - constitute the guts of the peace deal put to Russia and Ukraine. Kellogg co-authored it in April, and has since been appointed as envoy.
A lot could still happen of course. I have only skim-read it.
Trump’s Ukraine envoy pick proposed forcing peace talks by withdrawing US weapons
In a co-authored document presented to Trump in April, Keith Kellogg also said US should give Ukraine more weapons if Russia didn’t join negotiations
linked paper:
America First, Russia, & Ukraine
Russia’s ongoing war against Ukraine was an avoidable crisis that, due to the Biden Administration’s incompetent policies and rejection of the America First approach to national security, has entangled America in an endless war.
Anyway, I did find it very interesting. I couldn't agree with all of it because of it's slant of course, but the positions they take are argued in detail.
Some things completely omitted: e.g. it is very well known that Russia committed atrocity after atrocity after atrocity in areas they occupied/ occupy, and yet the authors totally criticize Biden for calling Putin a war criminal...
.Thank you for posting, it was my time well spent reading it.
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At first glance, it's length suggests they've taken it seriously, and they've been thinking about it for a good six months dating back to at least last March/April. From this I take it that they are unlikely to materially change their minds at this stage, so this is probably what the peace deal will look like.
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I've not read it yet in any detail so I won't comment on the content.I've now read the AFPI paper...it took a while. Lots of information in there that we knew, and additional things, that possibly were known but I'd forgotten.
Anyway, I did find it very interesting. I couldn't agree with all of it because of it's slant of course, but the positions they take are argued in detail.
Some things completely omitted: e.g. it is very well known that Russia committed atrocity after atrocity after atrocity in areas they occupied/ occupy, and yet the authors totally criticize Biden for calling Putin a war criminal...
Thank you for posting, it was my time well spent reading it.
At first glance, it's length suggests they've taken it seriously, and they've been thinking about it for a good six months dating back to at least last March/April. From this I take it that they are unlikely to materially change their minds at this stage, so this is probably what the peace deal will look like.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Last week 2 important under sea communication cables in baltic sea were cut, today, Denmark, one of the biggest and most vocal suporters of Ukraine........ Coincidence? (If this is Putin? are the west going to finally call Article 5 on what are terrorist attacks on NATO member?)
"Denmark's largest mobile phone network is offline, including emergency call options. The Danish railway is also out of service, trains are standing around the country. The causes are still unclear."
"Denmark's largest mobile phone network is offline, including emergency call options. The Danish railway is also out of service, trains are standing around the country. The causes are still unclear."
It appears that not all Russians are being fooled. Good for this lass anyway - hope the security services can't identify her!
- Aug 24, 2020
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A very astute young lady. But that video is 18 months old. It was filmed in Moscow in May 2023.
It has added poignancy when you consider she is probably no longer with us.
Having friends in Ukraine gave her an advantage, her predictions now seem uncanny. Killing civilians, taxes going up, prices going up, cannon fodder, officials won't care, people leaving, but the elite will be OK.
Many Russians would not have had the insight to give such glimpses into the future. Others still won't have the capacity to get their heads round it even when this is all over, and they are confronted with the post-war reality.
Sadly they will feel partially responsible believing that they elected Putin in fair elections.
GoldstoneVintage
Active member
Quite. No-one who has ever watched Borat would think that.
- Oct 17, 2008
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I hear their potassium is the finest potassium.
The paper linked below, - may - constitute the guts of the peace deal put to Russia and Ukraine. Kellogg co-authored it in April, and has since been appointed as envoy.
A lot could still happen of course. I have only skim-read it.
Trump’s Ukraine envoy pick proposed forcing peace talks by withdrawing US weapons
In a co-authored document presented to Trump in April, Keith Kellogg also said US should give Ukraine more weapons if Russia didn’t join negotiations
"withdrawing weapons from Ukraine if it doesn’t enter peace talks – and giving even more weapons to Ukraine if Russia doesn’t do the same."
Which just means they'll both enter peace talks, nothing more.
And Zelenskyy should refuse that deal. Russia cannot keep going as they are forever. If the US really wants to be on the side of an evil dictator, as opposed to democracy, so be it.
Trump can threated US involvement, but he doesn't speak for all of NATO