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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



raymondo

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Statement from Poland re Russian missiles close to NATO airspace. Just a screenshot from Denys' telegram feed:
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A1X

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But translated, it means the Russian armed forces are struggling to repel the Ukrainians and are urging civilians to fight in their place.
Не паникуйте, мистер Мэйнваринг!
 


Eric the meek

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Statement from Poland re Russian missiles close to NATO airspace. Just a screenshot from Denys' telegram feed:
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Russia, please select your response from the following:

1. Escalatory.
2. Unacceptable.
3. Provocative.
4. This is really a red line.
5. Will be met with a nuclear response.
6. Russia reserves the right to indiscriminately kill neighbouring populations.

Etc, etc.
 


raymondo

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Russia, please select your response from the following:

1. Escalatory.
2. Unacceptable.
3. Provocative.
4. This is really a red line.
5. Will be met with a nuclear response.
6. Russia reserves the right to indiscriminately kill neighbouring populations.

Etc, etc.
7. Summon the Polish ambassador in Moscow (still one?)
8. Recall the Russian ambassador from Poland
9. Remind Poland they are next after Ukraine
10. Call an emergency meeting of the security council...
 




Eric the meek

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7. Summon the Polish ambassador in Moscow (still one?)
8. Recall the Russian ambassador from Poland
9. Remind Poland they are next after Ukraine
10. Call an emergency meeting of the security council...
11. NATO needs to take a good long hard look at itself.
12. All Russia asks for is a level playing field. Producing our missiles costs us a lot. We can only use them once you know.
 












Eric the meek

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It's a bit strange that an MP wears a military jacket. Interesting though - he seemed legit.
I have actually approached this from a different angle, but have come to the same conclusion. Why the military jacket?

My natural instinct is to not pay attention to what Russians say, but pay attention to what they do.
Everything is for a reason. Wearing a military jacket would have been a conscious decision, unless he habitually wears one. Was it a sign of solidarity with the Russian military?

Then again, it is conceivable that it was some weird form of propaganda. Maskirovka. I should have said, 'exercise caution' when viewing anything from Russia. I know you already knew that.
 




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If Mexico had invaded the US four weeks ago, no Mexican soldier would still be on US soil. Because the US is a military superpower.

If Vietnam had invaded China four weeks ago, no Vietnamese soldier would still be on Chinese soil. Because China is a military superpower.

Ukraine invaded Russia four weeks ago, and they’re still there. Which is interesting.
 


Eric the meek

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If Mexico had invaded the US four weeks ago, no Mexican soldier would still be on US soil. Because the US is a military superpower.

If Vietnam had invaded China four weeks ago, no Vietnamese soldier would still be on Chinese soil. Because China is a military superpower.

Ukraine invaded Russia four weeks ago, and they’re still there. Which is interesting.
This 3 day war has showcased to the world, the effectiveness of the Russian war machine. Today, day 923, it occupies 20%* of Ukraine.

*Don't forget to take away the Ukrainian occupied territory in Kursk.
 


raymondo

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I have actually approached this from a different angle, but have come to the same conclusion. Why the military jacket?

My natural instinct is to not pay attention to what Russians say, but pay attention to what they do.
Everything is for a reason. Wearing a military jacket would have been a conscious decision, unless he habitually wears one. Was it a sign of solidarity with the Russian military?

Then again, it is conceivable that it was some weird form of propaganda. Maskirovka. I should have said, 'exercise caution' when viewing anything from Russia. I know you already knew that.
Yes. Could have been a visible reminder to their population that even their safe MPs are on a war footing because of the evil West.
 






Eric the meek

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Yes. Could have been a visible reminder to their population that even their safe MPs are on a war footing because of the evil West.

That sounds eminently plausible. I have always considered Russian state propaganda worth watching, however crass it is. It provides a glimpse into the thoughts inside the
Kremlin, which we wouldn't otherwise see. Obviously keep your antennae out at all times, if you'll pardon the expression.
 




Eric the meek

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Just when you thought you had got your heads round Russian propaganda:

This is propaganda without mercy - the Russian state is said to be organising fake groups of soldiers' mothers and soldiers' widows, in an attempt to purportedly advocate on behalf of soldiers. This is a counter measure against real groups of soldiers' mothers and soldiers' widows who are organising, lobbying against Russian officers and bringing criminal prosecutions.



It is from 09:15 onwards, but for the historical context of the danger of returning conscripts (from the Russian-Afghan war), watch from 6:00 onwards.
 






raymondo

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Just when you thought you had got your heads round Russian propaganda:

This is propaganda without mercy - the Russian state is said to be organising fake groups of soldiers' mothers and soldiers' widows, in an attempt to purportedly advocate on behalf of soldiers. This is a counter measure against real groups of soldiers' mothers and soldiers' widows who are organising, lobbying against Russian officers and bringing criminal prosecutions.



It is from 09:15 onwards, but for the historical context of the danger of returning conscripts (from the Russian-Afghan war), watch from 6:00 onwards.

Very interesting piece thanks.
A real example of 'malicious actors' that are happy to take money (if that's the carrot) to undermine fellow women.

Also in the video, a reminder that Putin cares far more about advancing in the Donbas than in protecting his beloved provinces of Kursk and Belgorod. Maybe Ukraine can now move some of it's better troops back to Donbas, and replace them with less experienced for their defense lines in Kursk.

Finally a reminder from the contributor that Russia will still outlast Ukraine in terms of troop numbers, in the grinding front line. Ukraine's invasion of Kursk has been a part game changer but there will need to be much more to protect Ukrainian troop numbers:
- air defense
- unlimited drone supply
- faster shell delivery
- a freeing up of the restrictions (from the US and Germany mainly?) of firing missiles deeper into Russian territory to disable air bases used for attacks on Ukraine (one example).
 


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