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After having seen the reports of allied nations rejecting Macron's idea of troops to Ukraine, I'm inclined to think Macron was acting unilaterally.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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Would have been better if they'd just kept quiet... leave the idea hanging.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Don't forget that in amongst the grotesque insularity and outrageous nationalism, that Russia has deeply impressive and highly courageous young people willing to speak for it's future.
www.theguardian.com
Never believe Putin is unstoppable – after Navalny, this is how a new global opposition can bring him down | Masha Alekhina
Westerners are financing the same bloodshed they condemn. The time for the world’s ‘deep concern’ is over – Russia and Ukraine need action, says Pussy Riot’s Masha Alekhina
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Yulia Navalnaya speaking to the European Parliament today:
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Olaf Scholz reveals UK soldiers are in Ukraine, helping with the operation of storm shadow long range missiles.
Well done Scholz.
www.independent.co.uk
Well done Scholz.
Germany accused of ‘abuse of intelligence’ for revealing British help in Ukraine
Olaf Scholz’s comments will ‘no doubt be used by Russia to racket up the escalator ladder’, says Tobias Ellwood
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Scholz is an unmitigated disaster for Europe, he is the modern day Neville Chamberlain.
It's pretty obvious that NATO boots on ground is unlikely but I think Macron is right to suggest its not ruled out and to have a bit of strategic ambiguity. It may give Russia pause for thought.
Signalling weakness and ruling out deterrence is exactly what makes Putin escalate.
portslade seagull
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Another SU34 shot down, now makes the total 11 this month
portslade seagull
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Add another two SU34 to that which makes a total of three today as per Denys reports
perth seagull
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Scholz should've kept his mouth shut and been more like Sergent Schultz:Olaf Scholz reveals UK soldiers are in Ukraine, helping with the operation of storm shadow long range missiles.
Well done Scholz.
Germany accused of ‘abuse of intelligence’ for revealing British help in Ukraine
Olaf Scholz’s comments will ‘no doubt be used by Russia to racket up the escalator ladder’, says Tobias Ellwood
We should have just denied it (and Zekenskiy)...why did Sunak confirm it? We're too open in these situations... Putin has to also be fought with denialsOlaf Scholz reveals UK soldiers are in Ukraine, helping with the operation of storm shadow long range missiles.
Well done Scholz.
Germany accused of ‘abuse of intelligence’ for revealing British help in Ukraine
Olaf Scholz’s comments will ‘no doubt be used by Russia to racket up the escalator ladder’, says Tobias Ellwood
.It's good
...weekly attrition of the Russian air force (and navy) really will have a major impact on this war, even if that's not apparent yet.Exactly this. Macron was right (and smart)to say it, and any European leader that publically rules it out is, frankly, an idiot.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I would imagine Macron did it to wrongfoot Putin, and to leave him wondering.
As you say, any leaders who publically rule it out are giving Putin the wrong signal; one of division. A signal that he can continue his empire building.
Why Scholz revealed that UK soldiers are already in Ukraine, only Scholz knows. I find his actions incomprehensible.
Edit: @peterward, I appear to have said what you said in post #14152....
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Yes, pretty incomprehensible from Scholz ,- maybe he was appealing to the appeasement section of his electorate,as in "look, we must be careful not to escalate, UK and France have already taken the first step".
I was listening to Bill Browder on Times Radio just now, and he's saying a stronger message/action right now would be to use the confiscated Russian billions for the direct benefit of Ukraine and weapons purchase and supply... then NATO troops on the ground wouldn't be required anyhow.
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Yes, that makes sense.
Whatever we did, or didn't do, Putin would twist it to his advantage.
In his annual speech to the nation this morning, he said the usual stuff. The west is causing an arms race. The west is trying to bring discord to Russia. He warned the west against sending troops to Ukraine etc.
But I did notice this:
'Putin extends cultural policies to seized Ukrainian region' - just the Donbas. Why only the Donbas I wonder?
Nobby Cybergoat
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Sholtz has been a disaster yes. To a degree he is just reflection German reticence which I understand in an emotional sense given the history at play here, but not a logical one.
But giving up an intelligence and PR coup to Putin. Jesus wept. We need to be presenting a united front. Europe and the west needs to massively up it's game to defeat Putin and Putinism
But giving up an intelligence and PR coup to Putin. Jesus wept. We need to be presenting a united front. Europe and the west needs to massively up it's game to defeat Putin and Putinism
Hmmm... maybe the cultural landmarks have already been rebuilt in Crimea
odd though.Nice to hear how concerned he is about climate change
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If we called his bluff and he backed down, he would be ousted from power and probably dead within weeks if not days. It would be one of the most cowardly moves from a Russian leader in centuries.
He's in a position now with no off ramp. Any escalation he is absolutely forced to match.
What do you think would happen to him if he ran away from NATO with his tail between his legs?