[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Triggaaar]

Putin will also be able to get at all their families. And they know it

While that's true, they should also know that if they fire nukes, them and their families will probably all die. If they don't, but others (in other missile sites) do, then equally they're all dead anyway. The only hope for them and their families to survive, is to not fire. And if all their colleagues also refuse, then the chances are that Putin will be removed, so their families will escape him.

None of it guaranteed, but I'd think they have a better chance without firing.

 

[vegster]

While that's true, they should also know that if they fire nukes, them and their families will probably all die. If they don't, but others (in other missile sites) do, then equally they're all dead anyway. The only hope for them and their families to survive, is to not fire. And if all their colleagues also refuse, then the chances are that Putin will be removed, so their families will escape him.

None of it guaranteed, but I'd think they have a better chance without firing.

I'm hoping that at some point in the near future Putin departs the Presidency one way or another and those left to pick up the pieces try and engage with the West, withdraw immediately from Ukraine and the other regions where they station " Peacekeeping " forces and try to change for the better.

 

[Triggaaar]

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[Triggaaar]

I'm hoping that at some point in the near future Putin departs the Presidency one way or another and those left to pick up the pieces try and engage with the West, withdraw immediately from Ukraine and the other regions where they station " Peacekeeping " forces and try to change for the better.

Of course, we can all dream.

 

[bhafc99]

Why does he need so many pencils on his desk?

To make up for the lack of a ruler?

 

[Bry Nylon]

"Dear Mr President, news just in....Sanchez, Veltman, Dunk, Webster, Trossard, Mwepu, Mac Allister, Caicedo, Cucurella, Welbeck and Maupay."

"What about Lamptey, FFS?"

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

True.

Hopefully it's an aggressive cancer, although even if that were the case there's bound to be plenty of bond villains queueing up to replace the scumbag.

My mum had Parkinson and cancer which is not a good combination. She could handle one or the other but not both ….


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[Neville's Breakfast]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61257846

‘German energy giant Uniper gives in to Russian rouble demand’

Germany seems to be seeking to circumnavigate the ban on rouble payments with some clever (ish) financial chicanery. Hopefully the EU will crack down. I read this article not long after this one:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61248436

‘War in Ukraine: Ukrainians deported to Russia beaten and mistreated’

Perhaps the German financial whizz kids need to take a look at themselves.

 

[The Clamp]

Putin will also be able to get at all their families. And they know it

Maybe not much of a threat when you’re other option is killing your own family along with the rest of the world.

 

[Baldseagull]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61257846

‘German energy giant Uniper gives in to Russian rouble demand’

Germany seems to be seeking to circumnavigate the ban on rouble payments with some clever (ish) financial chicanery. Hopefully the EU will crack down. I read this article not long after this one:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61248436

‘War in Ukraine: Ukrainians deported to Russia beaten and mistreated’

Perhaps the German financial whizz kids need to take a look at themselves.

I feel for Germany here, they need to stop buying Russian Gas and Oil, in any currency, but they are hooked on it. We and the rest of Europe need to formulate a plan to secure what we need, or reduce what we need, together, we can't just expect Germany to cope without half of it's usual consumption.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I feel for Germany here, they need to stop buying Russian Gas and Oil, in any currency, but they are hooked on it. We and the rest of Europe need to formulate a plan to secure what we need, or reduce what we need, together, we can't just expect Germany to cope without half of it's usual consumption.

I think that is happening to a degree. There have been record LNG imports into Europe this past month and that includes a tripling in imports from the US compared to this time last year. Bulgaria is replacing lost Russian pipeline gas with LNG imports into Greece. This is then piped northwards. Also, demand destruction from high prices. I do think though that Germany should be calling Putin’s bluff. Opening second accounts in roubles in Russia whilst making Euro payments to Switzerland is a blatant attempt to get around the rules. Energy dependence on Russia is a problem of their own making and Russia cannot afford to lose the revenue.

 

[Eric the meek]

The moment I read this, I thought, 'yes, of course'.

'Russia trying to humiliate UN with air strikes on Kyiv, Zelensky says'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61252785 8:14

 

[Insel affe]

Russia will plan something for the 4th July, you can bet on it.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I think that is happening to a degree. There have been record LNG imports into Europe this past month and that includes a tripling in imports from the US compared to this time last year. Bulgaria is replacing lost Russian pipeline gas with LNG imports into Greece. This is then piped northwards. Also, demand destruction from high prices. I do think though that Germany should be calling Putin’s bluff. Opening second accounts in roubles in Russia whilst making Euro payments to Switzerland is a blatant attempt to get around the rules. Energy dependence on Russia is a problem of their own making and Russia cannot afford to lose the revenue.

Germany needs to stop buying Russian gas. Full Stop.

Yup, recession might well come - but it will most likely stop the war - short term pain, long term gain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61040424

Which is more important to Germany?

 

[Icy Gull]

They’re bluffing aren’t they. I fear we may have to call it before too long…..this war is going really badly and Putin is getting desperate as he’s going to lose as the Ukranians will not be backing down.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/28/russ...-is-probable-and-we-all-die-someday-16551471/

 

[Is it PotG?]

They’re bluffing aren’t they. I fear we may have to call it before too long…..this war is going really badly and Putin is getting desperate as he’s going to lose as the Ukranians will not be backing down.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/28/russ...-is-probable-and-we-all-die-someday-16551471/

I'm certainly not buying any Christmas cards in advance.

 

[Triggaaar]

Germany needs to stop buying Russian gas. Full Stop.

Yup, recession might well come

Saying a recession 'might' come gives the impression you don't know how big a deal it would be for Germany. A recession would be a foregone conclusion. I agree with you that if it can be done, it should be done, but I don't know quite how damaging it would be to them. It also depends whether the current sanctions etc are likely to be enough at some point, but like you I imagine, I fear they may not be.

 

[Triggaaar]

They’re bluffing aren’t they. I fear we may have to call it before too long

We've already called it. It's a threat for us to give up on Ukraine and stop supplying weapons - we haven't done that.

"Margarita Simonyan, editor of broadcaster RT and one of the most highly paid Kremlin mouthpieces, made the chilling prediction last night.

Speaking with a panel of nervous looking experts on TV, she said: ‘Either we lose in Ukraine, or the Third World War starts.'"

Right, so she's saying that if we keep helping Ukraine, Russia will lose. That's good to know Margarita, thanks.

I'd like to know what China thinks of all this. We're going to keep supplying weapons, so does China really want the world wiped out?


Putin: "‘We have all the weapons we need for this. No one else can brag about these weapons, and we won’t brag about them. But we will use them’ he bragged.

 

[Icy Gull]

We've already called it. It's a threat for us to give up on Ukraine and stop supplying weapons - we haven't done that.

"Margarita Simonyan, editor of broadcaster RT and one of the most highly paid Kremlin mouthpieces, made the chilling prediction last night.

Speaking with a panel of nervous looking experts on TV, she said: ‘Either we lose in Ukraine, or the Third World War starts.'"

Right, so she's saying that if we keep helping Ukraine, Russia will lose. That's good to know Margarita, thanks.

I'd like to know what China thinks of all this. We're going to keep supplying weapons, so does China really want the world wiped out?


Putin: "‘We have all the weapons we need for this. No one else can brag about these weapons, and we won’t brag about them. But we will use them’ he bragged.

Bluff, but a scary one that probably does need calling. If Putin gets away with this he will be invigorated and won’t stop at Ukraine

Threats obviously work in Russia so it’ll be hard for him to realise they may not work in the “free world” given that this special operation is unacceptable evil genocide.

 

[Icy Gull]

I'm certainly not buying any Christmas cards in advance.

You still buy Christmas cards?