A nuclear war is a war in which nuclear weapons are used, so I disagree with you.
Which is why I said it 'seems' inevitable.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,091
aolstudios
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Err, rightio mate
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Surely the jets can just be supplied as 'spare parts' ? Take a wheel off and supply as 2 components. Reassemble as required.
I don't see the problem. Sod Putin's whinging. If he doesn't like it he can simply withdraw his army.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Seems like if you heard the 7 minute warning you'd still be spending that time arguing whether it meant a nuclear war or not zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Agreed, but we don't know what a defeat would have looked like.
Of course we don't know what victory or defeat will look like after this war either. As said previously in the thread, freedom isn't free. I think it's worth fighting for though. I don't see much point in life without it. Red pill for me please.
nicko31
Well-known member
Quite hard to smuggle in, how would you get them into Ukraine?
Lower West Stander
Well-known member
Markets have been pricing that for a while.
Rating agencies massively behind the curve compared to real time headlines.
I simply said I disagree with you and why (I thought disagreement was allowed) and you're in with the insults. Nice.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,091
Yes, that makes sense.
What real time headlines are you looking at? Have you got any links?
I'm really into this, albeit from a position of near-zero knowledge!
It’s a valid point. I did think about that but in the end didn’t think it could really be called a nuclear war as the US were the only ones with nukes.
I reckon I would have been pulled up by someone whichever way I went.
Yes, you are right. I still don't get it either. I mean I understand the US's reasoning to a degree, but no-one's talking about the option you've described. Surely they can be partly disassembled and taken across the border on trucks (as the anti tank, stinger missiles have been).
Maybe we should take the discussion of whether the Second World War was a nuclear war somewhere else?
I dunno.
Would be better if Austria, say, weren't in NATO, then jets could fly to Ukraine from there. If Russia then threaten Austria (land-locked), NATO can just close it's airspace around them to Russian aircraft.
Sorry, Austria, nothing personal.
Lower West Stander
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I work in the financial markets so get real time headlines from my Bloomberg screens which I can't share I'm afraid.
The best publicly available stuff is agency feeds from the likes of Reuters and TASS the Russian agency is worth a look too. Bloomberg also has a public site which is pretty useful.
Tbh - beyond the horrible humanitarian stories reported by the mainstream press which are very worthy in drawing our attention to the personal level of the war, I haven't paid much attention to their commentaries on the situation.
Presumably could also go down the classic "money laundering" route. For example (all countries theoretical and not suggesting any are involved in actual money laundering);
Poland sells the jets to Botswana.
Botswana sells the jets to Chile.
Chile sells the jets to Myanmar.
Myanmar sells the jets to Nigeria.
Nigeria sells the jets to New Zealand.
New Zealand sells the jets to Jamaica.
Jamaica sells the jets to Ukraine.
All underwritten on the QT behind the scenes by the US. As long as the planes "disappeared" for a while then it'd be bloody hard for Russia to prove they were the same ones.
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
I saw I was quoted, I replied. Hardly a big deal? Anyway, it’s not a debate I’ll be getting into with Triggar. I’ve done that before and it goes on for about twelve hours
On topic; I am glad the US has seen sense and is not going to facilitate Migs, in two part, nuclear war starter-kit or in any other form. It was a very dangerous idea from the off.
A molecule of possible good news starting at 11 a.m. UK time??
My wife is on a Ukrainian Facebook feed, and they've announced a humanitarian corridor starting 9a.m. Ukraine time (11a.m. here) for civilians to be allowed to pass into Zaporizhzhia from Energodar (city location of the nuclear power station that was attacked) and from surrounding towns that were almost destroyed by shelling as Russian forces advanced to the power station.
Fingers crossed, prayers, please …those civilians have been without food supplies or medical for days, and no doubt the Russian troops ransacked the food shops on their way (as they have done in the town next to my parents' village.)
My wife is on a Ukrainian Facebook feed, and they've announced a humanitarian corridor starting 9a.m. Ukraine time (11a.m. here) for civilians to be allowed to pass into Zaporizhzhia from Energodar (city location of the nuclear power station that was attacked) and from surrounding towns that were almost destroyed by shelling as Russian forces advanced to the power station.
Fingers crossed, prayers, please …those civilians have been without food supplies or medical for days, and no doubt the Russian troops ransacked the food shops on their way (as they have done in the town next to my parents' village.)
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
- 8,622
Very well said.
A thread titled " I want to prove I know tonnes about the second world war" would keep those who want to show off that they've been paying attention to the masses and masses of history channel that they watch.
Another thread entitled "what's the precise definition of nuclear war" would allow people who are interested to really drill into the minutiae of whether it could be called one if only one side has them.
I suppose it could also have the added advantage of allowing those who want to catch up on the current crisis in Ukraine the ability to do so without wading through pages of completely irrelevant disagreements.