Gabbafella
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- Aug 22, 2012
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I was literally just about to post this.
Can't begin to imagine just how pant shittingly scary that must have been!
Glad they all made it out safely.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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I was literally just about to post this.
Can't begin to imagine just how pant shittingly scary that must have been!
Glad they all made it out safely.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
Saw a story on a Russian girl living in one of the Ukrainian cities being shelled, calling and informing her mother in Moscow, who won't believe her own daughter.
You cannot tell me that this is accidental. The strategic shelling of civilian homes is a deliberate strategy to demoralise, and surely a war crime.
https://youtu.be/0a9MC20dUDQ
https://youtu.be/0a9MC20dUDQ
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
I did read somwwhere that this is Russia's Plan A ( see Chechyna and Syria previously) rather than having troops enter a city first.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Apols if fixtures but I thought he talked a fair bit of sense….just my opinion.
https://youtu.be/8DXwlqoSF70
https://youtu.be/8DXwlqoSF70
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Zelensky is not happy with NATO for deciding not to enforce a no fly zone. Can't blame him really, but the whole situation is impossible - needs a neutral party to get involved really.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
V interesting. Maybe highlights how Westerners struggle to grasp how Russians think.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Why has Fiona Bruce dressed as a rattlesnake?
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,573
See also, 'shock and awe' - Iraq.
Always happy to listen to him and the TRIGGERnometry podcast (lots of interesting guests from all sides of the political spectrum), he does talk a lot of sense and gives a good insight to all things Russian.
rogersix
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- Jan 18, 2014
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That's how WWII started
Yup, I agree that reparations should be made, but not so punitively that they force us straight into another conflict.
Setting them as a percentage (say 2%) of GDP should prevent them becoming overly onerous, then the payments can never become overwhelming if Russia’s financial situation were to deteriorate for other reasons.
Motogull
Todd Warrior
- Sep 16, 2005
- 10,586
Its so ****ish. Its going to take so long to make those places habitable again. Mind you, the whole thing is ****ish, so why should that be different?
The thought of a nucular bomb being used is putting the willies right up me.
- Aug 24, 2020
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That sounds a reasonable compromise.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
It is a brutal truth but Ukraine is fighting to have something left and force Russia to accept the minimum possible as a victory. WWI went on 6 months or so longer than it needed to with the fighting simply about the hand you had at the surrender table. The Allies mistake was having too strong a hand that ultimately led to Hitler getting support. WWII defeated Hitler but left Europe with Stalin, an equal dictator. History books will tell us there were victors in both world wars but the reality isn’t so clear. This isn’t about defeating Putin, it’s about having enough that he takes a small victory, it looks good enough for them, but in reality he’s severely weakened. A positive is that Putin does have an effective propaganda machine that could turn a bit of a disaster into a victory - he’s not there yet though, and we have to witness these horrifying scenes while he plays this out. Shocking.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
and we’re here really through how it ended.
- Aug 24, 2020
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'Ukraine can absolutely win against Russia - Blinken'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60626921
Powerful, inspirational stuff.
Here's the alternative view.
That article sounds like the US has decided to leave Ukraine to its fate, in the hope that Russia will get bogged down and lose its own war.
Russia continues to hemorrhage cash, spends a fortune it can no longer afford, continues to lose friends and influence around the world, incurring colossal reputational damage, crippling its economy
and ability to invade anyone else. Result: Russia is contained for a generation, until long after Putin dies. What a result for Washington.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60626921
Powerful, inspirational stuff.
Here's the alternative view.
That article sounds like the US has decided to leave Ukraine to its fate, in the hope that Russia will get bogged down and lose its own war.
Russia continues to hemorrhage cash, spends a fortune it can no longer afford, continues to lose friends and influence around the world, incurring colossal reputational damage, crippling its economy
and ability to invade anyone else. Result: Russia is contained for a generation, until long after Putin dies. What a result for Washington.
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Temporary ceasefire announced in the cities of Mariupol and Volnovakha, to enable civilians to leave. A rare display of empathy from the Russians, or simply a move so they can say “it’s not our fault people died” when they resume hostilities and obliterate the entire area.
Sadly, I know where I’d put my money.
Sadly, I know where I’d put my money.