[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[SouthSaxon]

No surprise, it’s not a good outcome. Putin gives one concession that benefits Russia as much as it does Ukraine, and a prisoner exchange.

There’s no frontline ceasefire yet Ukraine is not allowed to rearm in that time or receive any overseas aid or intelligence…have I read that right?

I expect Trump will announce he’s cutting Ukraine off again, without even discussing it. I wonder how much Putin is paying him this time.

Edit: different outlets are translating/conveying the Kremlin statement with different nuances. It’s hard to tell what relates to the initial ceasefire and what’s attached to further discussions

 

[Nobby]

Russia can instead use it's weapons to bomb more civilian targets I assume.

Yep But what a great DEAL.

 

[Bodian]

No surprise, it’s not a good outcome. Putin gives one concession that benefits Russia as much as it does Ukraine, and a prisoner exchange.

There’s no frontline ceasefire yet Ukraine is not allowed to rearm in that time or receive any overseas aid or intelligence…have I read that right?

I expect Trump will announce he’s cutting Ukraine off again, without even discussing it. I wonder how much Putin is paying him this time.

Edit: different outlets are translating/conveying the Kremlin statement with different nuances. It’s hard to tell what relates to the initial ceasefire and what’s attached to further discussions

Probably benefits Russia more - they seem to have been hit badly by the Ukrainian drones, and clearly want a break from this.

The Kremlin has said it demands no re-armament, but that doesn't appear in the White House briefing. It seems to be related to their requirements for a full ceasefire (rather than the partial one they have signed up to).

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Yep But what a great DEAL.

It's all ok the two runts can have an ice hockey game, what wankers.

 

[Triggaaar]

Probably benefits Russia more - they seem to have been hit badly by the Ukrainian drones, and clearly want a break from this.

The Kremlin has said it demands no re-armament, but that doesn't appear in the White House briefing.

The Ukrainian drones will continue, and Europe will continue to arm Ukraine.

The only concern is what the US do - eg, stopping intelligence

 

[Bodian]

The Ukrainian drones will continue

What will they target though? Much of the things we've heard about have been oil terminals and infrastructure stuff. I can't imagine they would suddenly start targeting civilians?

 

[Triggaaar]

What will they target though? Much of the things we've heard about have been oil terminals and infrastructure stuff. I can't imagine they would suddenly start targeting civilians?

Because Ukraine don't have to agree to this nonsense, so they can continue attacking oil terminals etc.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Probably benefits Russia more - they seem to have been hit badly by the Ukrainian drones, and clearly want a break from this.

The Kremlin has said it demands no re-armament, but that doesn't appear in the White House briefing.

There’s confusion about what Russia’s statement is saying.

BBC is implying that no rearmament applies to the immediate 30 days, but this makes no sense as there’s no ceasefire on the front line.

I think DW’s English reporting might be a more accurate interpretation, but who knows…

 

[Bodian]

There’s confusion about what Russia’s statement is saying.

BBC is implying that no rearmament applies to the immediate 30 days, but this makes no sense as there’s no ceasefire on the front line.

I think DW’s English reporting might be a more accurate interpretation, but who knows…

The Guardian seem to say the no rearmament is for a full-scale 30-day ceasefire, not the limited one just agreed.

I think the BBC are actually saying the same thing?

 

[Bold Seagull]

It stinks of PR BS with both dictators wanting to come out sounding like they’ve achieved something.

The re-writing of Russia not being the aggressor or starter of this war is breathtaking. It is frighteningly Orwellian.

 

[SouthSaxon]

The Guardian seem to say the no rearmament is for a full-scale 30-day ceasefire, not the limited one just agreed.

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I think the BBC are actually saying the same thing?

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The desperation to publish first really isn’t ideal where nuanced translation is required. It feels like they’re all refining the story as they go.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Probably benefits Russia more - they seem to have been hit badly by the Ukrainian drones, and clearly want a break from this.

The Kremlin has said it demands no re-armament, but that doesn't appear in the White House briefing. It seems to be related to their requirements for a full ceasefire (rather than the partial one they have signed up to).

I think we can safely say the White House briefing will carry sufficient spin to paint Trump in a good light - rather than admitting that he’s failed.

 

[Triggaaar]

So, in summary, the war will continue without any change.

 

[The Clamp]

Ukraine can’t agree to these rather odd terms and so will be hailed by Trump as not willing to bring about peace.
Trump will then withdraw all assistance. Exactly as he has been instructed to do by Putin.

 

[Napper]

It’s still a step in the right direction more than others have achieved

 

[Triggaaar]

Ukraine can’t agree to these rather odd terms and so will be hailed by Trump as not willing to bring about peace.

Ukraine should counter with the suggestion that they stop targeting civilians, which is a war crime anyway.

 

[Triggaaar]

It’s still a step in the right direction more than others have achieved

Nothing has been achieved.

 

[Bodian]

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

My phone conversation today with President Putin of Russia was a very good and productive one. We agreed to an immediate Ceasefire on all Energy and Infrastructure, with an understanding that we will be working quickly to have a Complete Ceasefire and, ultimately, an END to this very horrible...

truthsocial.com

 

[Eric the meek]

It’s still a step in the right direction more than others have achieved

It's just half-time, and the players are fighting in the tunnel.

 

[Mancgull]

‘Frank discussion’ …. hmm
At least it sounds as if Trump didn’t just bend over to Putin.
Hardly a big step forward though.
Small concession to stop targeting energy Infrastructure on both sides but that isn’t going to stop the casualties.

We are still along way off a lasting peace.