- Aug 24, 2020
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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fly high
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I don't actually believe there will be a cease fire which doesn't lead to the death of Ukraine as a sovereign, free democratic nation. Trump is busy carving up Ukraine with Putin, he is not pursuing a cease fire in which Ukraine get any say. They will be presented with the Trump/Putin agreement & either sign it off or Trump withdraws everything, including sanctions & lets Putin get on with it.
Algernon
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If Russia actually manage to take all of Ukraine in a week's/month's/year's time, what is our response going to be?
If we shit our pants and do nothing then I guess c'est la vie.
But if that's unacceptable to Europe, at what point do we decide it's too much, get off our fat arses and do something about it to stop that happening.
And why haven't we done something about it already?
If we shit our pants and do nothing then I guess c'est la vie.
But if that's unacceptable to Europe, at what point do we decide it's too much, get off our fat arses and do something about it to stop that happening.
And why haven't we done something about it already?
I hope you're right that (most) of the world will never forgive Trump. I suspect maga will love him for a long time,and Vance will love him until he stabs him the back.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I'm not sure how to respond to that. But I'll do my best.
It isn't over until it's over. I suspect that being over is a long way away, and a lot can and probably will happen before it is truly over.
Sure, any ceasefire won't stop Putin. He needs war to stay alive. If he agrees a ceasefire, he loses his purpose, direction and support, and Russians will question the purpose of the war.
Think back to the video from Darin Gerdes, on how the propaganda has changed, from Russia being emboldened, strengthened by Trump, to now being defiant. The contrast is stark. This is the canary in the coalmine. You might conclude that Putin is afraid of a ceasefire. Russia has hidden the pain and the cost of the war from its people. It has done that for a reason. It is afraid of their reaction. It has also hidden the dire nature of the economy from the people. The war has decimated Russia. And then think what a ceasefire would mean. Hundreds of thousands of troops walking off the battlefield, angry and armed, ready to tell the truth to the political elite.
People will see the war graves in a different light. And question why food and essentials are so expensive. Returning troops and hunger are a lethal combination.
Sit back, and watch the drama unfold.
Such a powerful and emotional letter.
Even if Trump manages to read until the second sentence... he'll just stop reading, because it doesn't feed his narcissism or narrative in any way. Would be nice if some of Trump's followers read it though.
You are right - it's only going to get harder to stop Russia, not easier.
- Jan 25, 2025
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From all the analysis I’ve seen, Russia isn’t strong enough to take all of Ukraine. It’s why Putin demands Ukraine be fully declawed even to agree an initial ceasefire (which he won’t get).
Europe needs to play some serious catch up now that Trump has pulled the rug out from under them. This is starting to happen, but it’ll take time for this to manifest.
Europe’s complacency deserves criticism, but they are not responsible for US actions. Had Harris won the election, the strategy of throttling Russia economically would have continued - it was/is working.
Now Europe needs to take a more proactive approach, but also needs to play for time while it gets its industry reoriented.
Germany’s car industry is key in this, and we’re already seeing some early moves being made.
German defense giant Rheinmetall may take over VW factory to make tanks
Rheinmetall is considering acquiring one of Volkswagen's soon-to-be idle plants, part of a broader rearmament in Europe.
www.newsweek.com
I agree except I don't think any 'ceasefire' will see Putin's troops walking off the battlefield - they'll be kept there, partly for the reason you give, but also because they'll be doing daily false flags and mini incursions.
GoldstoneVintage
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This is great news. However, to paraphrase Roald Amundsen, I would develop drones, drones and more drones. Not only is this the future (and present) of warfare, it's also a lot faster and cheaper than building tanks. European countries also need to start recruiting and training a lot of drone operators and integrating them into the armed forces.From all the analysis I’ve seen, Russia isn’t strong enough to take all of Ukraine. It’s why Putin demands Ukraine be fully declawed even to agree an initial ceasefire (which he won’t get).
Europe needs to play some serious catch up now that Trump has pulled the rug out from under them. This is starting to happen, but it’ll take time for this to manifest.
Europe’s complacency deserves criticism, but they are not responsible for US actions. Had Harris won the election, the strategy of throttling Russia economically would have continued - it was/is working.
Now Europe needs to take a more proactive approach, but also needs to play for time while it gets its industry reoriented.
Germany’s car industry is key in this, and we’re already seeing some early moves being made.
German defense giant Rheinmetall may take over VW factory to make tanks
Rheinmetall is considering acquiring one of Volkswagen's soon-to-be idle plants, part of a broader rearmament in Europe.
- Jan 25, 2025
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Trump is going along with Putin because he wants to, not because there’s a pee tape. He likes doing business with Russians and he likes their money.Going to showcase the videos that show Kasnov is kompromised ?
The whole Krasnov thing is a distraction.
- Jan 25, 2025
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Agreed. There’s much the Ukrainians can teach us.
Increasingly I think you're right.
- Nov 11, 2009
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The Krasnov thing may or not be true, but it's kind of irrelevant. It would only answer potential motives for Trumps pro putin actions...... but its the actions themself that are the issue.
Whether he's compromised or it's just a Putin fetish, end result is same.
- Aug 24, 2020
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- Jan 25, 2025
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People should be asking why an ex-KGB spy put the Krasnov story out when he did. What was the motive behind it?- Jan 18, 2009
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This is incoherent nonsense in response to simply pointing out certain NATO members are not in Starmer’s coalition of the willing.
This includes, amongst others, Italy, Poland and Germany. Most importantly of course it doesn’t include the US. Which means the very concept of a coalition of the willing is itself incoherent nonsence.
I can see where you get it from.
- Jan 18, 2009
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Fair enough, I understand that however they will only offer money and aid to Ukraine they won’t be sending in their forces as part of the coalition of the willing.
They know how to defend their country and act in its interests……..maybe it’s a “Donald” thing.
https://search.app/peeeBYaCipeD72W98
Germany may appear to be getting their arse in gear but Germany is still importing gas from Russia. They won’t bite that hand will they…….