[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[A1X]

When has Western Europe ever won a fight without the US help. Not for several hundred years when the world was a very different place. We need them. That’s the reality.

Then you might as well start learning Russian now if that’s your attitude. Because I don’t know how much attention you’ve been paying for the last week, but the USA isn’t coming to our aide. Not anymore, and certainly not under this president. Either we as Europeans stand up and fight or поклонись поглубже своему российскому начальству, иначе тебя отправят в ГУЛАГ.

 

[raymondo]

That statement was clearly coordinated with Starmer, presumably Macron too. I think the whole point of their joint plan is precisely to ensure they tackle Trump together when the time comes.

I agree they will want to humiliate him - there’s already been some ridiculous comments about demanding a live apology on Fox News from Trump buttlickers.

There was an interesting comment on TRiP US about giving Trump a one-of-kind Hero of Ukraine gold medal. Lines up with my thought that Zelenskyy could win favour by offering to nominate Trump for the Peace prize.

It is a disgrace that this is what they have to consider doing, but the reality is they are dealing with a narcissist and normal rules of diplomacy do not apply.

Edit: source for my view that Starmer helped coordinated that statement

Ah thanks for the link - I need to chase up why I've stopped receiving Guardian updates recently, especially as I pay a few pounds each month!

They'd have to give Vance a medal as well, or perhaps a free tour of the front line.
Maybe a Tesla dinky toy for Musk.
I know...any sucking up to Trump is vomit inducing, isn't it.

 

[raymondo]

I want to thank the many posters (I won’t name individuals, but you’ll know who are from the number of “likes” I’ve given you), both here and on the Trump thread…

For your endless patience in explaining, both for me and for the trolls, what the feck is actually going on in the world today, and also recent history. Normally I would just dip in and out of these threads, but I’ve made a point of reading the lot (with the exception of a few trolls on ignore), and I’ve learned a lot of important stuff, it’s really helping.

Thank you!

I learn more from this thread than from all the mainstream media combined

 

[SouthSaxon]

Possibly one for the Trumpists to consider. What does it say to you when even your European political bedfellows think Trump is making reprehensible decisions?

No need to answer. Just think about it.

 

[A1X]

 

[maffew]

The fact that the US equity markets have started to tank will put extra pressure on Trump.
Trump supporters are focused on ‘what’s in it for them’ so I imagine his ratings will fall further.

The inverse of this is Russias markets have strengthened on reports of US looking at relief on sanctions. Absolutely insane

 

[Giraffe]

 

[raymondo]

Yes, I'm expecting it - a false flag or 'we couldn't see the border in the fog so our drones flew the wrong way ' kind of thing.

No chance of a reaction from NATO, but hopefully the Baltic military will, and Europe will back them.

 

[Triggaaar]

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Zelenskyy was ready to sign the deal when he was at the White House

 

[sparkie]

King Krasnov looking to lift sanctions on Russia.

At least it is only American sanctions, of course, and he has no power here or over individual citizens or companies.

Dear oh dear.

 

[Triggaaar]

King Krasnov looking to lift sanctions on Russia.

At least it is only American sanctions, of course, and he has no power here or over individual citizens or companies.

Dear oh dear.

And what is he supposed to get in return for removing sanctions?

There has to be something, or it's clear that he's simply a Russian asset.

 

[beorhthelm]

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you know Trump wanted to get a peace deal? signing a deal for mineral access, which they'd have had access to anyway on open market, isnt quite the deal he says it is.

 

[WATFORD zero]

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There really is no way back for you is there ? After all the time I wasted trying to explain (to a five year old, your words, not mine) why you shouldn't back Brexit, Johnson and Farage, you are way beyond help.

To be fair, for a moron, it's quite simple, I can't be wrong about Brexit = I can't be wrong about Johnson = I can't be wrong about Farage = I can't be wrong about Trump. Congratulations

 

[WATFORD zero]

I think it's now blatantly become obvious that Putin's financial backing of Farage and Brexit was only ever a successful test run (and helpful first step) towards the big prize

 

[A1X]

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Yes it’s definitely Trump’s brilliant leadership which is forcing Zelenskyy to act. Not the missiles hitting children’s hospitals in his capital city.

 

[Eric the meek]

I think it's now blatantly become obvious that Putin's financial backing of Farage and Brexit was only ever a successful test run (and helpful first step) towards the big prize

If I were a Brexiteer, I would give you a yellow card for a subtle attempt at derailment.

But seeing as I'm not, for those of us who still don't know, way back on this thread is a link to an article in the Wall Street Journal, which identified Russian funds from a Czech Republic based fund, that were used to finance far-right parties in five EU countries. Join just a few dots, and hey presto, our man o' the people Nige is a multi-millionaire, MP for Clacton, residing in......Brussels.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

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Helping the Russians bring down America is certainly (cough) 'unorthodox'. Is it a euphemism?

And is 'the left' code for all right-minded, decent people who aren't in a cult?

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

And what is he supposed to get in return for removing sanctions?

There has to be something, or it's clear that he's simply a Russian asset.

Is it not already clear?!

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Did You Know History Would Be Different If Zelensky Had Worn A Tie?

The Collapse of Conservative Thought In One Article

open.substack.com

 

[raymondo]

You've probably all figured this out and I've been slow:
Denys Davydov says: Trump always planned to pause/stop the support to Ukraine at this time. He needed a grandstand reason, hence the manufactured ambush of Zelenskiy in the White House.

Sounds likely to me .