[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Triggaaar]

He also denied meeting Mr. Yakovenko (pictured with Farage below)

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Thanks, isn't NSC a font of knowledge. Though no mention of Tice and Farage.

Wikipedia; In February 2023 Voloshyn was formally accused of state treason for he allegedly "promoted the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation in subversive activities against Ukraine."[6]

BBC; Mr Gill, of Anglesey, was granted bail on the condition that he surrender his passport, is not to obtain international travel documents and not to contact Mr Voloshyn.
He is due to appear at the Old Bailey on 14 March.

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Disinformation only works if you have multiple players involved..

 

[armchairclubber]

Disinformation only works if you have multiple players involved..

I'm not sure if I should laugh or just agree....

 

[peterward]

I still don't actually understand how he is going to bring about peace and stop the fighting. He never actually says. All he talks about is the deal with Ukraine. He was asked about Russia paying, Russia handing back some land - and he just rambled about it being close and on the table. And it's going to stop in a few weeks. And when there is a ceasefire - that will be the end of it, because once they have stopped they won't go back to fighting......

He's going to try and dress up a new frozen conflict as peace.

It isn't. There's no peace without justice or accountability.



And getting into bed fully with the mass murdering, fascist war criminal shows how out of touch the orange buffoon is.

 

[peterward]

The only sensible way forward is for Ukraine and Europe to shut Trump out completely. No deal with Trump on rare earth metal and mineral resources and no role for the US in a post-war peacekeeping force.

This.

And Europe/Canada turning its back on Trump/US, will cause welcome divisions in US.

They'll be a lot of pissed off senators and Congress officials, if their long standing allies turn as Trump tries to forge ahead with Putin.

It's actually a lot better than bowing to Trump as he rides roughshod of Europe and courts Putin anyway.

Trump needs to feel the pressure of his actions.

 

[Eric the meek]

Am I allowed a one minute digression? Consider it part of the pre-match entertainment.

 

[SouthSaxon]

This.

And Europe/Canada turning its back on Trump/US, will cause welcome divisions in US.

They'll be a lot of pissed off senators and Congress officials, if their long standing allies turn as Trump tries to forge ahead with Putin.

It's actually a lot better than bowing to Trump as he rides roughshod of Europe and courts Putin anyway.

Trump needs to feel the pressure of his actions.

Scaramucci* makes this same argument on the latest TRiP US, around 23 minutes in.



* For those who only remember him from his brief stint in Trump’s first administration, he is firmly anti-Trump these days.

 

[peterward]

Scaramucci* makes this same argument on the latest TRiP US, around 23 minutes in.



* For those who only remember him from his brief stint in Trump’s first administration, he is firmly anti-Trump these days.

I love Scaramucci. Listened to his Podcasts pre election..... didnt know he said that, Thanks for sharing.

 

[Triggaaar]

Am I allowed a one minute digression? Consider it part of the pre-match entertainment.

Made up, right?

 

[raymondo]

Completely and utterly defies belief. Two of the most odious individuals on the planet negotiating the sale of the mineral wealth of a country that has been subjected to genocidal attacks by one of them for three years and betrayed by the other for three weeks.

You've summed it up perfectly in one sentence

 

[raymondo]

Thanks, isn't NSC a font of knowledge. Though no mention of Tice and Farage.

Wikipedia; In February 2023 Voloshyn was formally accused of state treason for he allegedly "promoted the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation in subversive activities against Ukraine."[6]

BBC; Mr Gill, of Anglesey, was granted bail on the condition that he surrender his passport, is not to obtain international travel documents and not to contact Mr Voloshyn.
He is due to appear at the Old Bailey on 14 March.

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Not sure how they'll be certain he doesn't contact traitor Voloshyn.

 

[raymondo]

A while back, the Wall Street Journal published an article on Russia funding a number of far-right parties in five EU countries, through a Czech-based fund.

If Putin does that in five other countries across the channel, you have to consider the possibility that it is happening with the multi-millionaire Farage, who is a former contributor to Moscow-based RT.

I read that article, totally convincing.

 

[raymondo]

In as much as he has appeared frequently on RT he certainly has recieved Russian money - albeit he is far from alone among the stranger elements of British politics in that respect.

After meeting with the former Ambassador of Russia to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko in the Russian Embassy in 2013, Farage started appearing on the Kremlin-controlled RT, where he was allegedly paid £2000 per appearance. RT also supported and cultivated UKIP from at least 2011. Nigel himself said that the claims that he accepted more than half a million pounds from RT as “nonsense”, stating that he had only “two small appearance fees”. He also denied meeting Mr. Yakovenko (pictured with Farage below) in a 2018 segment on LBC.

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By 2017 NF had made c.20 appearances on RT and been approached about being a regular presenter of a show on the channel

David Lilley, who owns businesses and over 12000hc of land in Russia has donated £100000 to Reform. While sanctions have seen assets written off, Lilley's companies in Russia stand to profit greatly from a ceasefire.

If Lilley was pro European he'd give that land to Zelenskiy - could be a good forward attack base.

 

[armchairclubber]

Conspicuous by their silence/absence from the statement and subsequent debate were Farrago, Entice and the rest of the Reform mob. True patriotism in masterly inaction.

Giving my thoughts squarely on the above, if I may.
Reform don't really need to make a statement now. That wouldn't be to any advantage imo.
Any deal UK Government participates in with Global 'fascists' or Dictators is to their favour.
That includes anything with Trump, Putin and Musk behind it, just for starters.
Those players then have extra influence in the UK, with effectively no opposition, as that is Reform.
Reform doesn’t need to influence it.

Does or would or even could any of all this make Starmer a patriot?

 

[armchairclubber]

Not sure how they'll be certain he doesn't contact traitor Voloshyn.

They'll?

 

[raymondo]

He's going to try and dress up a new frozen conflict as peace.

It isn't. There's no peace without justice or accountability.



And getting into bed fully with the mass murdering, fascist war criminal shows how out of touch the orange buffoon is.

Yes, or, even more scarily, he isn't out of touch and knows exactly what he's doing...in plain sight.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Exactly. And Musk saying at CPAC "Why is Ukraine still fighting, trenches full of bodies, just give up!"...like you probably would, Musk, you coward.
It's all shocking, I'd be happy if Europe stops being polite in any way.

I wonder if Musk is brave enough to test his views and opinions by visiting and engaging with someone senior in Ukraine. No - just a cowardly key board warrior

 

[peterward]

Ukraine agrees US minerals deal after Washington drops toughest demands

Kyiv hopes agreement on jointly exploring resources will improve relations with Trump administration

www.ft.com

Un-paywalled

https://archive.ph/968bf

 

[raymondo]

They'll?

Abbreviation of "they will" , oh I see what you mean .
The court that granted him bail under those conditions.

 

[raymondo]

I wonder if Musk is brave enough to test his views and opinions by visiting and engaging with someone senior in Ukraine. No - just a cowardly key board warrior

He should visit the basements in Bucha, Kherson (dodge the drones scumbag), stand in front of the relatives of the tortured/deceased and tell them it's all fake and they'd be far happier if they just gave in to Russian rule.