Royal Mail Rant

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Where is my fifa manager 2010

get back to work you lazy bastards

probably being sold on e-bay right at this minute , they have to pay for the bacon butties on the picket line somehow.

 

[Uncle C]

You're starting to sound a bit stupid now. Have you ever recruited and trained anyone for a job?

Hundreds.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

What you dont seem able to grasp is the fact that all deliveries have been laid out ,using Royal mails own criteria, to take a full shift( be it part time or full time). Seeing as everything is mapped out by computer, in theory there is no opportunity to finish early,so the old addage of posties going home early is ,by Royal Mails foolproof system, bollocks.Most people would be happy to do their hours but no extra.
Obviously there will be exeptions but if anyone wants to finish early these days they need to start early, forego meal breaks & rush around. Although i agree london offices have always been a law unto themselves dont believe that what you see on tv & in the papers represents everywhere else.
For any body who is unaware of the reasons of the strike after the 2007 dispute part of the agreement was that there would be no unagreed change.Royal mail have how been making wholesale changes not to mention swingeing cuts without consultation.Dont believe the" we're dealing with 10% less mail" argument either, it may interest you to know that downstream access mail (letters with tnt deutchpost uk mail ect in the corner instead of a stamp) is not included in Royal Mails figures, but is still delivered by your postman.
The agreement that has been mentioned that was unsigned by the cwu was actually withdrawn by RM's chief executive , I have seen the agreement & believe me if The government & RM wanted a settlement it would have stayed on the table.

My statement about posties finishing early was directly from posties and ex-posties, not the media. They are not being asked to work beyond their original contracted hours without pay, but when they finish their rounds, they are being asked to stay at work until their shift finishes rather than failing to work all their contracted hours and still getting paid for the hours they haven't worked.

A business like the Royal Mail has a large percentage of it's costs as labour costs, so why should it pay staff who go home early rather than complete their hours? This is an unneccessary extra cost to any business for no productivity in return.

This extra cost has to be paid for, if a company has a drop in income as a result of a drop in turnover, shouldn't they look at ways to ensure the survival of the business before its too late.

The drop in mail volume too is correct,with more people using e-mail and instant messengers and text / phones or companies providing paperless bank accounts, paperless insurance policies, and e-mail banking etc, is there still such a demand for mail that takes a couple of days to arrive after being sent?

Companies such as Amazon have a host courier companies such as Fed ex, UPS, Uk Mail, TNT etc that can deliver their goods rather than the Royal Mail.

Tell me, when was the last time you had a letter from someone that wasn't junk mail, postcard from a holiday destination or a bill?

 

[Northstander]

The fact remains, everything is done online now.

All businesses, especially the utilities are now and will be pushing DD and online billing. Customers no longer want paper when it can be all accessed at a flip of a button.

I would ramp up the Parcel Force part and wind down the posties side...again...Im not a postie so I could be wrong

 

[brighton bluenose]

What is wrong with these idiots?!

I may be wrong and open to suggestions here but in this current climate, I know of a number of people who would be happy to have that job.

From what I can see, its a business stuck in yesterdays technology and attempting save costs etc by introducing change, this from what I see os what the posties do not like.

Meanwhile, businesses are now using competitors they have not used before and finding their service is just as good if not better, these idiots are bringing down Royal Mail and I dont think it will recover!

*again, I may be wrong here*

And of course you ARE wrong!!

For starters Royal Mail are delivering mail at a standard low rate on behalf of their competitors that those same competitors could not afford to deliver those items at!!

Secondly, those competitors cannot and will not deliver to areas off of the beaten track as Royal Mail currently does!

f*** Mandelson, 'new' labour and their Tory-style privatisations!!

 

[bhaexpress]

And of course you ARE wrong!!

For starters Royal Mail are delivering mail at a standard low rate on behalf of their competitors that those same competitors could not afford to deliver those items at!!

Secondly, those competitors cannot and will not deliver to areas off of the beaten track as Royal Mail currently does!

f*** Mandelson, 'new' labour and their Tory-style privatisations!!

Those are the points that so many here just don't realise. I would wonder just how many of the strikers detractors are themselves unemployed ? None I would bet. Having worked for both the Post Office and their main competitor (TNT) in the past I think I have a much better idea about the situation than so many 'experts' on here.

 

[Uncle C]

Having worked for both the Post Office and their main competitor (TNT) in the past I think I have a much better idea about the situation than so many 'experts' on here.

So who had the best terms and conditions?

 

[Stat Brother]

Sorry to be a voice of reason here, I think my position as a confused postie are well documented here, by now.

But RM doesn't pay VAT, so we are 12 (17.5)% ahead of all the competition, quite some chunk when the rural profit margins are tight/impossible.

Anyway, now down to the RM bashing!.

We are fookin good at what we do, as proven time and time again. Top Gear and a BBC 1st class delivery survey the other day, for starters.

We handle 75 million items a day, sure mistakes are made, but the bulk of staff are hard working people trying their best.

The 3 sections of the RM group last year ALL turned in profits, it hurts like hell to have all this happening as both parties are to blame.

Don't tar all posties with the same brush, just because some still have the 'power' Red Robbo thought he had 30 years ago.

 

[the wanderbus]

My statement about posties finishing early was directly from posties and ex-posties, not the media. They are not being asked to work beyond their original contracted hours without pay, but when they finish their rounds, they are being asked to stay at work until their shift finishes rather than failing to work all their contracted hours and still getting paid for the hours they haven't worked.

A business like the Royal Mail has a large percentage of it's costs as labour costs, so why should it pay staff who go home early rather than complete their hours? This is an unneccessary extra cost to any business for no productivity in return.

This extra cost has to be paid for, if a company has a drop in income as a result of a drop in turnover, shouldn't they look at ways to ensure the survival of the business before its too late.

The drop in mail volume too is correct,with more people using e-mail and instant messengers and text / phones or companies providing paperless bank accounts, paperless insurance policies, and e-mail banking etc, is there still such a demand for mail that takes a couple of days to arrive after being sent?

Companies such as Amazon have a host courier companies such as Fed ex, UPS, Uk Mail, TNT etc that can deliver their goods rather than the Royal Mail.

Tell me, when was the last time you had a letter from someone that wasn't junk mail, postcard from a holiday destination or a bill?

So,expert on everything,can you tell us when you last saw the inside of a delivery office? Your post could of been lifted straight from rm's own literature.

 

[bhaexpress]

So who had the best terms and conditions?

Not a lot in it from my point of view but overall TNT are just about the worst organisation I have ever worked for with the exception of Curry's. They are out of touch technically and in fact nearly went bust Worldwide thanks to the investments of a certain Alan Bond. They are in fact an Australian company originally.

 

[phoenix]

My statement about posties finishing early was directly from posties and ex-posties, not the media. They are not being asked to work beyond their original contracted hours without pay, but when they finish their rounds, they are being asked to stay at work until their shift finishes rather than failing to work all their contracted hours and still getting paid for the hours they haven't worked.

A business like the Royal Mail has a large percentage of it's costs as labour costs, so why should it pay staff who go home early rather than complete their hours? This is an unneccessary extra cost to any business for no productivity in return.

This extra cost has to be paid for, if a company has a drop in income as a result of a drop in turnover, shouldn't they look at ways to ensure the survival of the business before its too late.

The drop in mail volume too is correct,with more people using e-mail and instant messengers and text / phones or companies providing paperless bank accounts, paperless insurance policies, and e-mail banking etc, is there still such a demand for mail that takes a couple of days to arrive after being sent?

Companies such as Amazon have a host courier companies such as Fed ex, UPS, Uk Mail, TNT etc that can deliver their goods rather than the Royal Mail.

Tell me, when was the last time you had a letter from someone that wasn't junk mail, postcard from a holiday destination or a bill?

Sorry mate, you are wrong.They are expected to work more than the original contracted hours without pay.(at least in my office) If you have sickness (in the office).you are expected to cover without pay.Oh!! and what are our original contracted hours?They seem to alter them twice a year.Some guys in the office said, it would be very difficult to finish much later,as they pick children up from school,the wife partner works etc.Royal Mail answer,"you better tell your partner to give up her job then".just trying to give you a picture of what goes on.

 

[Uncle C]

Not a lot in it from my point of view but overall TNT are just about the worst organisation I have ever worked for with the exception of Curry's.

Do TNT have a final salary pension?

 

[bhaexpress]

Do TNT have a final salary pension?

When I worked there they had no pension scheme but they did pay more. However their charges for 'Executive Mail' were considerably more that RMs, they had a very high staff turnover as well. In those days they did not do standard mail delivery and as far as I know, still don't. Their normal overland mail is delivered but RM Post.

 

[bhaexpress]

Sorry mate, you are wrong.They are expected to work more than the original contracted hours without pay.(at least in my office) If you have sickness (in the office).you are expected to cover without pay.Oh!! and what are our original contracted hours?They seem to alter them twice a year.Some guys in the office said, it would be very difficult to finish much later,as they pick children up from school,the wife partner works etc.Royal Mail answer,"you better tell your partner to give up her job then".just trying to give you a picture of what goes on.

Don't worry about Mr Fawkes, his day will come.

 

[the wanderbus]

Sorry mate, you are wrong.They are expected to work more than the original contracted hours without pay.(at least in my office) If you have sickness (in the office).you are expected to cover without pay.Oh!! and what are our original contracted hours?They seem to alter them twice a year.Some guys in the office said, it would be very difficult to finish much later,as they pick children up from school,the wife partner works etc.Royal Mail answer,"you better tell your partner to give up her job then".just trying to give you a picture of what goes on.

we once had a manager who tried to sack someone for having time off for treatment for bowel cancer! Royal Mail dont give a flying f*** about their staff & in my view have, with the help of the government , engineered the current strike in order to break the business up ready for privatisation. Why else has there been no intervention when apparentley an acceptable (to both sides) agreement has been changed & then withdrawn by Mark Higson who then blames the cwu for not signing?

 

[Garage_Doors]

If you have sickness (in the office).you are expected to cover without pay.Oh!!

That's the same in any office across the country, the same as when you are off sick, your colleagues cover for you ?
Why is this a problem ?

 

[26-10-02]

My statement about posties finishing early was directly from posties and ex-posties, not the media. They are not being asked to work beyond their original contracted hours without pay, but when they finish their rounds, they are being asked to stay at work until their shift finishes rather than failing to work all their contracted hours and still getting paid for the hours they haven't worked.



The drop in mail volume too is correct,with more people using e-mail and instant messengers and text / phones or companies providing paperless bank accounts, paperless insurance policies, and e-mail banking etc, is there still such a demand for mail that takes a couple of days to arrive after being sent?

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Some Postmen are being bullied into working past their finishing time.They are being given extra roads to do and if they bring it back they are removed from pay for the day.They are then asked to reconsider their attitude overnight.The union have fought for individuals and win the money just before it goes to court,but it takes months.

As for mail volumes it is only going down in the RM managements minds they have decided in their wisdom that the boxes that contain mail only have 150 letters in rather than the 207 already agreed with the union.Even if the fall of 10% in volumes WAS true then the 25% plus reduction in workforce (60000 jobs) means the average postman is working harder than ever.Do not believe the RM rubbish about it being a London problem the management gave out this to stop postmen voting for a strike but they saw through it.
Funny how everyone thinks the unemployed would want this job as there has always been vacancies in my local office and nobody took them.

 

[26-10-02]

Do TNT have a final salary pension?

No but neither do royal mail they removed it at the beginning of they year even for existing employees so at a stroke removing a decent pension for many employees (obviously not crozier etc.)

 

[Northstander]

That's the same in any office across the country, the same as when you are off sick, your colleagues cover for you ?
Why is this a problem ?

In my office, holidays are cancelled within teams if we go over the weekly target.

I know which One id prefer!

 

[phoenix]

That's the same in any office across the country, the same as when you are off sick, your colleagues cover for you ?
Why is this a problem ?

so you are 5 miles away from your office, are you? when you have to come back and cover the extra work.Thats why its so much of a problem.
For instance if you were dropped out in a van in Woodingdean,how would you feel about then.Finding your own way to Rottingdean, Saltdean or wherever to do other work.Its not like just picking up some more invoices and sitting down in your nice comfy chair with a coffee.Typing away,or phoning around.

Phew,Glad I got that one out of the way.