Richard Dawkins to arrest Pope Benedict.!!!!!

[beorhthelm]

Signing a petition is not a crime..... we may deplore his views but it is not a crime... there is no evidence that he has been ACTIVELY ınvolved in a cover-up.

petition? i dont think so, its a letter from the department he ran, which advised that a priest should not be defrock in relation to a sex abuse case.

 

[Acker79]

So if the pope was arrested and the Catholic community decided to act against his arrest (in whichever way they deem necessary), does that mean that Catholic priests abusing children is perfectly ok with them?

It isn't like that, though is it? The Pope and other catholic leaders will create a seige mentality. It won't be about the alleged abuses of children by priests, it won't be about the Ratzinger helping to cover up cases of alleged abuse in his own diocese rather than see them investigated and punished if found true.

It will be about the politically correct left wing, godless media, attacking christianity. It will be about an attempt to bring down the catholic church, destroying the faith centre of the many many millions of innocent catholics.

An attack on the church is an attack on every catholic, and no one should let that happen. Rise up catholics! Rise up and protect your faith! Rise up and protect the Holy Father! Rise up and protect God!

Surely the Priests that have done this should be arrested not the Pope? The Pope has not told priests to abuse children has he? Or are you stupid enough to think he has complete control over every single person under his command? People do bad things in every organisation. Not just the Catholic Church.

He has complete control over himself. He had complete control over himself when he allegedly moved priests accused of child abuse rather than investigate the case or pass it over to the police to investigate.

Yes, the priests should be arrested, but so should anyone who enabled them to abuse the children, people who were made aware and said "here, have you tried the boys at this church" "try a deaf choir, they won't tell..." should also be arrested.

 

[Fungus]

Signing a petition is not a crime..... we may deplore his views but it is not a crime... there is no evidence that he has been ACTIVELY ınvolved in a cover-up. Therefore dawkins is just doin a publicity stunt.

Im not keen on this Pope at all and I think it would be a good thing for the Catholic Church when there is a different Pope. I also think that priests involve din abuse (in fact ANYONE) should face the punishment of civil law.... but you better have evidence.

I bet Dawkins has signed up to some dodgy petitions in the past.

I think you've missed the point, regardless of whether it's a petition or a letter - he was supposed to be responsible for dealing with these cases, and this proves he knew what was going on.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Seriously Henry VIII was not a good man or King.

...as someone who did actually study the Tudors at A level, he was a very clever and incisive ruler.

 

[Colossal Squid]

Exactly, however if this country was to try and do anything to a Pope it would make Al Kyida look like a bunch of school girls. There are more than a few million Catholics spread liberally around the world and the consequences of pissing them off would be more than a little severe

Refusing to act on beliefs, principles and laws for fear of reprisals from those you upset is essentially giving in to terrorism.

We have a long history in this country of not giving in to terrorists and "pissing off" the Catholic community should not figure as a reason not to arrest a criminal

 

[Don Quixote]

...as someone who did actually study the Tudors at A level, he was a very clever and incisive ruler.

I too studied it at A level and he was clever but was very greedy hence why he broke with Rome. He wasn't a big bad Protestant that people think, or a reformist. He just wanted more power.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Imagine if they did do this! I hate to think what the Catholic community would do...

Probably nothing.

Catholics don't tend to be organised into guerilla terrorist groups with world wide agendas.


You might get a few mental latin americans that turn up though.

 

[bhaexpress]

Dawkins doesn't want the pope arrested for being the pope. It's for alleged cover ups of child abuse.

And the problem is, as has been said before, there's no proof of this is there ? We all have our suspicions but that is not fact.

 

[Colossal Squid]

Catholics don't tend to be organised into guerilla terrorist groups with world wide agendas.

Do the letters I, R and A mean anything to you?

 

[itszamora]

And the problem is, as has been said before, there's no proof of this is there ? We all have our suspicions but that is not fact.

You are arrested on suspicion of a crime. Questions of proof and guilt are answered at a trial, if one is forthcoming.

 

[Acker79]

Catholics don't tend to be organised into guerilla terrorist groups with world wide agendas.

I don't mean to confuse Christianity and Catholocism, but the christian right in america contains many catholics, and they seem to be pretty organised and scare a lot of people, and wield a lot of power.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It's worth noting that the Vatican did an outstanding job during the Second World War of ignoring the many attrocities that the Nazis carried out. They were too scared to say anything.

That's a bit of a sweeping statement.

The Nazis killed countless Catholic Clergy during the war.

Alot of who died from speaking out against them.


I find it ironical that Hitler came to power not behind the votes of Catholic Germans, but on the majority of votes from the Lutherans.

Despite this the Lutheran church is never brought up in regards to this involvement, yet the Catholics are.

 

[bhaexpress]

...as someone who did actually study the Tudors at A level, he was a very clever and incisive ruler.

Yes, so did I,As a a matricidal maniac he did well. The fact that he also had more than a few Catholics murdered doesn't make hom a good man or king, he was a murderer. Granted that doesn't make him any better of worse than many other British rulers but we condemn the likes of Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler and so on for doing the same thing.

 

[Fungus]

And the problem is, as has been said before, there's no proof of this is there ? We all have our suspicions but that is not fact.

And as has been said before, there is. Read the articles in the original post.

 

[bhaexpress]

That's a bit of a sweeping statement.

The Nazis killed countless Catholic Clergy during the war.

Alot of who died from speaking out against them.


I find it ironical that Hitler came to power not behind the votes of Catholic Germans, but on the majority of votes from the Lutherans.

Despite this the Lutheran church is never brought up in regards to this involvement, yet the Catholics are.

It's not a sweeping statement it's a fact. Whilst individual priests and other religious people did die at the hands of the Nazis the Vatican kept a very low profile about the Holocast and other attrocities.

 

[bhaexpress]

And as has been said before, there is. Read the articles in the original post.

I did and there's nothing other than supposition. I don't side with the Catholic Church but at the same time I don't see what good it would do to arrest the Pope either.

 

[Gwylan]

Although, of course, Hitler was brought up a Catholic and went to Catholic school.

And there were plenty of priests who supported Hitler

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I don't mean to confuse Christianity and Catholocism, but the christian right in america contains many catholics, and they seem to be pretty organised and scare a lot of people, and wield a lot of power.

The neo-con christian right in America are the Baptists/Evangelists and thats down in the south (Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia) where the numbers of catholics are smaller.

The majority of Catholics are found in the north and west in more Liberal states like California and Massachusetts etc.

Not saying some of the nutter arent catholics, but they are in the small minority, not the majority.

 

[Fungus]

I did and there's nothing other than supposition.

So this is "nothing other than supposition"? Did he not know what he was signing? Or what his responsibilities were?

The Pope was embroiled in new controversy this weekend over a letter he signed arguing that the “good of the universal church” should be considered against the defrocking of an American priest who committed sex offences against two boys. It was dated 1985, when he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which deals with sex abuse cases.

 

[Don Quixote]

The Catholic Centre party was the last party to desolve from the Reichstag. What does that tell us? It tells us the Catholics were against Hitler in Germany.