Religions of peace? A thread for sober discussion.

[Soulman]

Either a big family or a lot of sympathisers.
At least 500 people turn up at Muslim cemetery for burial of Copenhagen gunman – despite objections from Islamic group that owns it
Omar El-Hussein, 22, murdered two people last weekend in Danish capital
The fanatic was then gunned down by police following a shootout
He was buried today in a Muslim cemetery on the outskirts of the city
Authorities had fears 'over extremist attitudes and actions on both sides
The gunman who killed two people in Copenhagen was today buried in a Muslim cemetery in the city, despite objections from the Islamic group that owns it.
Omar El-Hussein, 22, murdered two people last weekend following a bloody rampage through the Danish capital that ended when he was killed in a shootout with police.
The ceremony at the Islamic Society of Denmark was attended by approximately 500 mourners and sympathisers, before he was buried in a Muslim cemetery on the outskirts of the city

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Either a big family or a lot of sympathisers.
At least 500 people turn up at Muslim cemetery for burial of Copenhagen gunman – despite objections from Islamic group that owns it
Omar El-Hussein, 22, murdered two people last weekend in Danish capital
The fanatic was then gunned down by police following a shootout
He was buried today in a Muslim cemetery on the outskirts of the city
Authorities had fears 'over extremist attitudes and actions on both sides
The gunman who killed two people in Copenhagen was today buried in a Muslim cemetery in the city, despite objections from the Islamic group that owns it.
Omar El-Hussein, 22, murdered two people last weekend following a bloody rampage through the Danish capital that ended when he was killed in a shootout with police.
The ceremony at the Islamic Society of Denmark was attended by approximately 500 mourners and sympathisers, before he was buried in a Muslim cemetery on the outskirts of the city

Quite honestly, that'll do the Danish police nicely. I imagine they will be very interested in some of the faces that showed up.

 

[Phat Baz 68]

What an idiotic comment. You complain that religious people cause the deaths of so many innocents whilst then going on to justify an atheist killing religious people. Unbelievable. Surely we should be aspiring to live in a world in which no-one is persecuted and killed whether they believe or not. Presumably you are not in favour of democracy and free speech?

Bible Basher alert !!!

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Bible Basher alert !!!

Again, you seem to think it's okay for atheists to massacre people but awful if religious people do it. Strange attitude.

 

[fork me]

I was having a count up with a friend a few months ago and we came to a double figure conclusion, Of the top of my head Israel/Palastine , Uganda, East Timore, another Indonesiana Island, Bosnia/balkans, Southern Sudan, India/Partition, southern Cyprus/partition. Well thats about 8ish, I may remember more but cant be naffed, you should be familiar with most of them unlless youve been living underground.

You think those are examples of Muslims being expelled?

You need several history lessons...

 

[looney]

You think those are examples of Muslims being expelled?

You need several history lessons...

Whine and lack of detailed critique noted.

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

"An eye for an eye" is in the Old Testament also known as the Old covenant, this is justice / judgement. In the New Testament Jesus was basically saying there is a better way, mercy and forgiveness. Yes if someone hurts you then justice would say that they should be hurt back or required to put things right, but in the New Testament or New Covenant, things changed. Romans 12:19 says don't punsih others when they do wrong to you. Instead of taking things into your own hands the bible teaches that vengeance or judgement belongs to God and that ultimately God's will is that His mercy triumphs over judgement. So Christians believe that the bible teaches people about love, peace, forgiveness, which in fact we all need because we've all done things wrong. There are more Christians dying for their faith than at any point in history, about 100,000 per year, generally speaking Christians do turn the other cheek.

 

[Phat Baz 68]

Religion IS the root of ALL evil !!!
God doesn't exist.
Richard Dawkins, Charles Darwin etc do though

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Religion IS the root of ALL evil !!!
God doesn't exist.
Richard Dawkins, Charles Darwin etc do though

I have come to the conclusion that you are simply fishing. I can't believe that you think all evil would disappear without religion. And you are off topic. The thread was for SOBER discussion.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

I have come to the conclusion that you are simply fishing. I can't believe that you think all evil would disappear without religion. And you are off topic. The thread was for SOBER discussion.

maybe he should leave this discussion for the grown ups. the idea that evil doesn't exist without religion is absolutely absurd

 

[beorhthelm]

I have come to the conclusion that you are simply fishing. I can't believe that you think all evil would disappear without religion. And you are off topic. The thread was for SOBER discussion.

you are quite right of course. after all, its the existence of evil that shows God doesn't exist.

 

[carlzeiss]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-may-now-get-the-death-penalty-10077877.html

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

you are quite right of course. after all, its the existence of evil that shows God doesn't exist.

I do not think that your argument is conclusive, however, I genuinely respect the sentiment it arises from.

 

[Soulman]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-may-now-get-the-death-penalty-10077877.html

Jeez. If you know this goes on why would you follow Islam, even though people will say it is the radical side.
To follow a religion with the prophet marrying a six year old and the other things that are accepted and go on, beggars belief really.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Jeez. If you know this goes on why would you follow Islam, even though people will say it is the radical side.
To follow a religion with the prophet marrying a six year old and the other things that are accepted and go on, beggars belief really.

Different cultures had child marriages which to our modern minds seem rightly unacceptable. Even the English did it. I would imagine this issue is cultural and not religious.

To be fair, surely the finger of blame should be pointed at the Saudi state, our supposed allies, who commit these types of terrible punishments and worse routinely.

Agreed. But we will continue to kowtow to them as always as we are bound up with their oil and $.

 

[cjd]

To be fair, surely the finger of blame should be pointed at the Saudi state, our supposed allies, who commit these types of terrible punishments and worse routinely.

Would that be the country , where it is law to convert to Islam if you want to marry a Saudi...or want to be a citizen...?

 

[Soulman]

This is madness. What about the rights of the people living in England.

An al-Qaeda terrorism suspect closely connected to “Jihadi John” is living in London, having used the Human Rights Act to prevent the Government from deporting him.
Court papers obtained by The Telegraph disclose that the man is at the centre of a terror network that included his friend and associate Mohammed Emwazi, who last week was unmasked as “Jihadi John”.
The man, who can, for legal reasons, be identified only as J1, has close links not only to Emwazi but also to a number of other jihadists, including one of the July 21 plotters, who tried to blow up the London Underground in 2005, and two al-Qaeda terrorists subsequently killed in US drone attacks in Somalia.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...s-friend-cannot-be-deported-from-Britain.html

 

[Soulman]

To be fair, surely the finger of blame should be pointed at the Saudi state, our supposed allies, who commit these types of terrible punishments and worse routinely.

The Saudi state is not the only country that carry out these "terrible punishments" is it. What has "our supposed allies" got to do with it, we do not make the laws, although i suppose in your world it is the Wests fault again.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Jeez. If you know this goes on why would you follow Islam, even though people will say it is the radical side.
To follow a religion with the prophet marrying a six year old and the other things that are accepted and go on, beggars belief really.

Many things beggar belief. Why would some people in South Africa rape a 5 year old or slaughter young children to obtain their eyes and other body parts in the belief that the muti made from it, or that act itself, will cure AIDS? Just 2 examples from here that show that some people will do anything if they implicitly trust the person telling them to do it - in these cases it is cultural rather than religious (if they have any religious affiliation it will be Christianity).

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

John Niven's series of tweets on Islamic fundamentalists:



@NivenJ1 · Jan 7

Maybe we say to all Islamic fundamentalist groups 'ok. You can have your own state. You can have a massive wall around it to keep us out

@NivenJ1 · Jan 7

But the condition is: people must be free to leave your state. You can't keep them there against their will or force them to believe.

@NivenJ1 · Jan 7

So you crack on with the stoning gays and the beheadings and treating women like dogs and no art or music or booze. And we'll be here... 3/4

NivenJ1 · Jan 7

...With the Rolling Stones and Iris Murdoch and malt whisky and shit like that. See you at the finish line *****. 4/4

It will probably come to that in the end because, with dreadful certainty, Islamists will perpetrate a terrorist act of such magnitude that the world will be plunged into some sort of religious war with everyone forced to take a stance unlike the current wishy washy Muslim response of "we condemn this act as Mohammed was a man of peace and Islam is only about tolerance" whilst simultaneously producing thousands of potential jihadists eager to stab us in the back in the UK and elsewhere.

a number of Jewish thinkers have recently been looking at historical purges, pogroms and massacres from the perspective of non Jews and, courageously, have recognised that the Jewish practices of usury, political manipulation and otherness within host countries like Russia, Germany and others (Britain included) had led to mistrust and antagonism towards Jews and ended at Treblinka and Sobibor.

Muslims should spend some more time looking at this. The tenets of their faith are often in direct opposition to the cultures of the countries where they choose to settle. Muslims choose to live in western countries because they want to escape from the depredation and suppression they experience in their countries of origin...obviously by other Muslims...however, once they arrive here they seem to want to set themselves apart from the very people they have travelled across the world to live among.

If they don't go through this self examination they will suffer when the world turns its back on Islam in disgust.