Genuine question, are you saying that god would happily sit back and watch people suffer, get murdered and raped unless they ask for help?
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[Misc] Religion - the Church of England - what future?
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Genuine question, are you saying that god would happily sit back and watch people suffer, get murdered and raped unless they ask for help?
Withdean11
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And why would he make me an atheist?
Serves them right, obviously.
Megazone
On his last warning
Did you not choose that yourself?
Megazone
On his last warning
Just say your closet and most loved one was in some sort of danger.
Would you hope for them to be okay?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Unfortunately yes, just look at these villages in Nigeria. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/919422/christian-persecution-nigeria-islamic-Nasarawa
We can pray for protection but we don't see the bigger picture.
I'm not defending it, just stating facts.
What we do believe is that the 70 odd years you get in this life, is not the end, and in the next life (eternal), everything will be put right.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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Free will only applies to people. Bad Things can be caused by things other than people. why does God not intervene in those cases? unable or unwilling to?
Lyndhurst 14
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A pity that a lot of religious people don't let their kids exercise that same free will to decide whether or not they will follow a particular religion - instead of forcing them into following their own religion
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I don't personally know anyone who forces their children. My own two have chosen for themselves. One goes to church, the other hasn't been since aged 15.
Insel affe
HellBilly
Christian Values are not solely for Christians and that is the problem they are human virtues and values for a caring modern society nothing Christian about them, they existed long before Christianity or any other religion.
Megazone
On his last warning
Why is death seen as an evil outcome? Sometimes life can be short, sometimes long. But for someone to die, no matter what scenario it is, it was a guaranteed outcome at some point or another.
Maybe they are re-incarnated into the lives they always dreamed of? Maybe they died and went to heaven where it turned out to be just like Disney World Animal Kingdom? Maybe the death of whoever it was created evolutionary emotions for everyone connected to the loss, so in the long run, more people were saved than lost? Maybe God got a bit lazy and focused his attention on saving the queen? Who knows?
Maybe God works in mysterious ways?
Megazone
On his last warning
Something very similar to the 10 commandments were used by native americans before they'd even heard of Christianity.
Not sure how you could argue with any of this:
THE TEN NATIVE AMERICAN COMMANDMENTS
1. Treat the Earth and all that dwell thereon with respect.
2. Remain close to the Great Spirit, in all that you do.
3. Show great respect for your fellow beings.
(Especially Respect yourself)
4. Work together for the benefit of all Mankind.
5. Give assistance and kindness wherever needed.
6. Do what you know to be right.
(But be careful not to fall into self-righteousness)
7. Look after the well being of mind and body.
8. Dedicate a share of your efforts to the greater good.
9. Be truthful and honest at all times.
(Especially be truthful and honest with your self)
10. Take full responsibility for your actions
He doesn't interfere when he is asked.
Nothing wrong with appreciating the beauty of christian music and song and not believing in Christ as your Lord and Saviour.
Surrey_Albion
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Once again still not proof of god.peiple beleived all kinds of **** throughout history , history is only one point of veiw its always written by the winners. dragons,witches etc just some people have kept this one going . Shakespeare wrote plays based on historical figure that were factually incorrect and just that Stories. Did George really kill a dragon? Hoe absyrd but a man in the sky looking down on us even though we can see billions of light years into space ,yeah seems legit
Kneon Light
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Who has said God is a man in the sky? Certainly not what Christians believe.
In terms of proof I don't believe there is any clear cut proof - that's why it is called faith (there is evidence but that is very different).
I would also say there is also no clear cut proof that God does not exist
Nor in reading about religious culture. One of my favourite writers is the Christian, William Dalrymple. I started reading his Indian histories but that led me to From the Holy Mountain, a Levantine travel book all about religion.
He’s witty, learned and a tremendous writer and talks passionately about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, confirmed the other stories I’d read about Libertarian Maronite Lebanon and how he found Nestorians in West London rather than the Levant.
I’m sure he’d wipe the floor with me in debate, yet, ironically his description of fire worshipping Zoroastrians helped finally convince me the whole shebang was madder than a sackful of badgers.
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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odd arguement your making since i didnt say anything about death. Bad Things dont necessary mean death, for some that might be a relief. care to try again answering the actual question? while we wait on some input from Thunder Bolt.