[Politics] Reintroducing the death penalty

[Wrong-Direction]

My cousin's fifteen year old son was stabbed to death walking home from getting McDonalds with friends.

The little ***** who murdered him will most likely serve no real time and be walking the streets free from any punishment.

Would gladly pull the trigger, flip the switch or pull the lever to see the filthy dogs removed from the planet so that they never harmed another person again.

This is the thing, it's very easy to say it's a disgusting thing to do until something happens to someone you love and then we're the ones ready to flick the switch.

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[Lenny Rider]

Difficult one, part of me thinks there is a case for it, the likes of Brady, Suttcliffe, Hindley, Huntley, Bishop, Whiting and the murderers of Lee Rigby could and should have been executed and wouldn’t have attracted any real negative public reaction.

But what happens when a mistake is made, and by that I mean dishonest coppers?

Just off the top of my head I can think of the Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 and the Carl Bridgewater gang who were all convicted of murder but later released on appeal ,after years of campaigning.

Two of these were terrorist offences the other a child murder, yet everyone convicted was innocent, but we’d have potentially hung 13 people then later admitted the mistake.

The government can’t put it to the vote, because it would be returned with a large majority and then we would be perceived as barbaric in the wider modern world.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Well that is a different question. Discussed in this thread and not particular to my post.

No need to ask about what doesn't comply with the european convention on human rights.

Schooolboy error. You have attempted to engage in pursuit of reason, using logic, with a poster with an agenda that overrides adherence to reason or the need for logic

 

[Brighthelmstone]

Wonder what the uptake would be if every criminal that got say 40+ years sentence could chose the death penalty instead.

 

[Chicken Run]

Schooolboy error. You have attempted to engage in pursuit of reason, using logic, with a poster with an agenda that overrides adherence to reason or the need for logic

I’m only asking if the thread title is a genuine government lead initiative or some no mark on a Twitter account bull shitting, if it’s the latter which would seem logical Mr Spock then I think it’s fair to say it’s the OP who has an agenda wouldn’t you say?

 

[mikeyjh]

It's always struck me as one of those issues where the majority of the public is probably in favour, but in our representative democracy those with the experience of lawmaking, human rights etc realise the difficulties of it. And the public generally accepts it and just quietly grumbles with "bring back hanging" when there is a horror story in the news, but doesn't really expectt anything to change.

Totally agree, it's why our representative democracy works reasonably well. It's also why referendums are generally a bad idea - One likes to think that our politicians make decisions on better researched information that the public. Sometimes.

 

[sparkie]

I’ll make this easy for you, in relation to the above mentioned post, who do you mean by “ We” ?

The UK.

 

[Chicken Run]

The UK.

So some **** on Twitter posts that a little birdy told him that the Home Office have been asked by Patel to scope for the re introduction of capital punishment and you think the Whole of the UK are talking and backing it, that just defies logic!

 

[Motogull]

If anyone harmed one of my loved ones, plod better get to me first.

This is not a matter for judges, but the victims or their relatives. That way, if anyone harmed one of my loved ones I could say 'woodchipper please' without running the risk of being pinched for bringing about the same outcome.

 

[rogersix]

Accept, accept, FFS, how many times?

Smashed up on booze, gibbering nonsense wellthick? You, no, I won't have it

What do we need to accept, bloody Aussies speak the Queen's English better than dopey Brits?

 

[A mex eyecan]

Perhaps Patel sees herself as the new Albert Pierrepoint.

What next on the Tory wish list, legalised torture for those that say 'no comment' when questioned by the Police, 50 lashes for protesting against the Government, Concentration Camps for immigrants and other undesirables.......

Terrible that the return of the death penalty is even being considered

oh what good ideas.

maybe though you’re missing something, there’s an angle here.

let them sell tickets and make it a spectator sport. must be able to rake in a few grand to plug some financial holes

 

[neilbard]

Reintroducing the death penalty

Blimey, a bit over the top Maupay wasn't that bad..

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Totally agree, it's why our representative democracy works reasonably well. It's also why referendums are generally a bad idea - One likes to think that our politicians make decisions on better researched information that the public. Sometimes.

Isn’t that precisely the idea of a parliamentary democracy.

 

[The Clamp]

Try for facts rather than propaganda..Many people aren't in favour of a return to capital punishment, but don't need this chronic example of fake news to help them make up their minds.

It's not fake news. Just calling everything you don't agree with fake news is a bit silly. It's The Clamp here my friend, bring your A game or don't bother.

 

[sparkie]

So some **** on Twitter posts that a little birdy told him that the Home Office have been asked by Patel to scope for the re introduction of capital punishment and you think the Whole of the UK are talking and backing it, that just defies logic!

Not sure why you want to bicker so much about my point which is simply :

If we reintroduce the death penalty then we fail to comply with the ECHR which means that we have to ditch the cross border crime cooperation part of the new EU deal.

That would be a real as the deal is only 3 days old.

 

[papajaff]

No, never. Utterly repulsive to contemplate this.

 

[The Clamp]

It may just be tweetle tattle at present, however few things happen by accident in politics. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this government leaked to see what the general mood on it is.
With leave voters on the brink of realising they have been conned over Brexit, Johnson is going to need another rabbit to pull out of his lopsided hat. I guarantee there is a large overlap with Brexit voters and those who would like to bring back the death penalty. He knows his audience. If they could get a few immigrants lined up on Death Row, I would be fairly confident he'd win back the pro-Brexit mob who will realise at some point next year that they have been lied to.

If we start striking deals with the US and continue to follow their example of the industrial prison complex do not rule out prison contractors pushing for the death penalty in the UK.

I predict in our children's lifetime their will be a serious attempt at bringing back the death penalty. And once a government has a system for legally killing people they find undesirable, well, we have all know how that can turn out.

People dismissing this kind of rhetoric as "bluster" have not learned the lessons of the past. How quickly the ridiculous can become tolerated, how the tolerated can become the normal, how the normal can become the demanded.

Observe events over the next five years with a questioning eye. We could so easily sleep walk into a dictatorship. And I believe that is exactly what we are doing. Now.

 

[sparkie]

It may just be tweetle tattle at present, however few things happen by accident in politics. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this government leaked to see what the general mood on it is.
With leave voters on the brink of realising they have been conned over Brexit, Johnson is going to need another rabbit to pull out of his lopsided hat. I guarantee there is a large overlap with Brexit voters and those who would like to bring back the death penalty. He knows his audience. If they could get a few immigrants lined up on Death Row, I would be fairly confident he'd win back the pro-Brexit mob who will realise at some point next year that they have been lied to.

When Johnson realises that introducing the death penalty voids a whole section of his flagship EU deal he'd look and feel a bit silly wouldn't he ?

 

[Djmiles]

No thanks. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

 

[The Clamp]

When Johnson realises that introducing the death penalty voids a whole section of his flagship EU deal he'd look and feel a bit silly wouldn't he ?

Looking silly is not something Johnson is overly concerned about.