[Politics] Reintroducing the death penalty

[Motogull]

Here you go [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION], former The Sun editor tweeting on crimbo day:

[tweet]1342496004298465281[/tweet]

 

[The Clamp]

Here you go [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION], former The Sun editor tweeting on crimbo day:

[tweet]1342496004298465281[/tweet]

Yep, that's exactly the rhetoric that sows the seeds of hatred.

 

[The Clamp]

Berlin Diary ("The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent 1934–1941") is a first-hand account of the rise of Nazi Germany and its road to war, as witnessed by the American journalist William L. Shirer.[2] Shirer covered Germany for several years as a radio reporter for CBS. Feeling increasingly uncomfortable as the Nazi press censors made it impossible for him to report objectively to his listeners in the United States, Shirer eventually left the country. The identities of many of Shirer's German sources were disguised to protect these people from retaliation by the German secret police, the Gestapo. It provided much of the material for his subsequent landmark book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

The book was published in New York by Alfred A. Knopf on June 20, 1941,[1] almost six months before Germany declared war on the United States, and simultaneously in Canada by Ryerson Press, when Canada was already at war with Germany.[1] It was "the first attempt by a big-name American journalist to shed light on what was really happening in Nazi Germany"[3] and sold almost 600,000 copies in the first year of its publication.[4] The book was widely praised by academics and critics at the time of its publication.[3] A recent literary study comparing the original diary in Shirer's literary estate with the published text revealed that Shirer made substantial changes, such as revising his early favourable impressions of Hitler. Much of the text about the period before the war (1934 to 1938) was written retroactively.[5]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Diary

One day the UK will thank those who did not write this government off as harmless toffs. And will owe a debt to those who are brave enough to halt their purge on democracy. Every unchallenged tweet, every Dominic Cummings not being fired, every bypass of Parliament reinforces Johnson's assumption that he has carte blanche to act exactly as he pleases.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It may just be tweetle tattle at present, however few things happen by accident in politics. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this government leaked to see what the general mood on it is.
With leave voters on the brink of realising they have been conned over Brexit, Johnson is going to need another rabbit to pull out of his lopsided hat. I guarantee there is a large overlap with Brexit voters and those who would like to bring back the death penalty. He knows his audience. If they could get a few immigrants lined up on Death Row, I would be fairly confident he'd win back the pro-Brexit mob who will realise at some point next year that they have been lied to.

If we start striking deals with the US and continue to follow their example of the industrial prison complex do not rule out prison contractors pushing for the death penalty in the UK.

I predict in our children's lifetime their will be a serious attempt at bringing back the death penalty. And once a government has a system for legally killing people they find undesirable, well, we have all know how that can turn out.

People dismissing this kind of rhetoric as "bluster" have not learned the lessons of the past. How quickly the ridiculous can become tolerated, how the tolerated can become the normal, how the normal can become the demanded.

Observe events over the next five years with a questioning eye. We could so easily sleep walk into a dictatorship. And I believe that is exactly what we are doing. Now.

Really excellent post. I agree with every word.

 

[The Clamp]

It's useful for one to look back on current events from a projected timeline to try and understand their relevance. An anti-democratic party, gaining power by piggy-backing in on the anti-foreigner zeitgeist of a nation (Brexit), a purge to rid the party of experts and contrary members, a clamp down on freedom of information, stripping parliament of power, passing laws to enable them to break the law, isolating the nation, drip feeding concepts such as the death penalty, structuring the dissemination of false news through local councils, refusal to be held to account.

Some of the Psychologically Informed Environment work I do teaches how to recognise developing dynamics and to spot psychological landscapes being laid down. Recognising patterns of behaviour in time to intervene is crucial. Past a certain point, the observed and theorised becomes the inevitable.

We could well look back in ten years and be horrified how we let them get away with it, even at this current stage. They need to be halted while people still have the power to do so. We will arrive at a point where there is nothing one can do about it without breaking the law. And that is exactly what they are driving toward.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

We still took a point away from home?


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[zefarelly]

When Johnson realises that introducing the death penalty voids a whole section of his flagship EU deal he'd look and feel a bit silly wouldn't he ?

Pfff, normal service. He does that most days, If you hadn't noticed.

 

[The Clamp]

I'm sorry but this post is paranoid radical nonsense.

Can you name a single example of something that has gone "from ridiculous, to normal, to demanded" in this country?

Boris Johnson the dictator... or Dear Leader Johnson if you like.... now I've heard everything

I'm saying we are potentially in the process of this happening. I'm not saying it's inevitable. I believe there are some rather severe warning signs and we have to be careful. This government has already enacted concepts we would not have thought likely ten years ago. Dictator Johnson? No, he's a means to an end. The lobbyists are the dictators here.

My take on it is that this is potentially teh most dangerous and destructive UK government we have seen in many, many decades. They must not continue to go unchecked. That is all. I mean, it couldn't happen here, could it?

 

[ManOfSussex]

As going back to how things used to be in the good old days is the central pillar of government policy, this is hardly surprising.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Who genuinely votes for this party?! Utterly deplorable.

Brexit has bought out such a strong right wing element to the Tories, they are always a bunch of self centred twats, but since Johnson came in to finish Brexit off, he's filled it with all of the more extreme right wingers. As for Patel, the quicker she's booted out the better.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Here you go [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION], former The Sun editor tweeting on crimbo day:

[tweet]1342496004298465281[/tweet]

Maybe we should make the support of hacking the phones of murdered kids punishable by the death sentence and then see what the Kelvin scumbag thinks ?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Berlin Diary ("The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent 1934–1941") is a first-hand account of the rise of Nazi Germany and its road to war, as witnessed by the American journalist William L. Shirer.[2] Shirer covered Germany for several years as a radio reporter for CBS. Feeling increasingly uncomfortable as the Nazi press censors made it impossible for him to report objectively to his listeners in the United States, Shirer eventually left the country. The identities of many of Shirer's German sources were disguised to protect these people from retaliation by the German secret police, the Gestapo. It provided much of the material for his subsequent landmark book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

The book was published in New York by Alfred A. Knopf on June 20, 1941,[1] almost six months before Germany declared war on the United States, and simultaneously in Canada by Ryerson Press, when Canada was already at war with Germany.[1] It was "the first attempt by a big-name American journalist to shed light on what was really happening in Nazi Germany"[3] and sold almost 600,000 copies in the first year of its publication.[4] The book was widely praised by academics and critics at the time of its publication.[3] A recent literary study comparing the original diary in Shirer's literary estate with the published text revealed that Shirer made substantial changes, such as revising his early favourable impressions of Hitler. Much of the text about the period before the war (1934 to 1938) was written retroactively.[5]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Diary

One day the UK will thank those who did not write this government off as harmless toffs. And will owe a debt to those who are brave enough to halt their purge on democracy. Every unchallenged tweet, every Dominic Cummings not being fired, every bypass of Parliament reinforces Johnson's assumption that he has carte blanche to act exactly as he pleases.

You're on form tonight Clampy

A late entry but clearly NSC Godwin's Law winner 2020

 

[The Clamp]

You're on form tonight Clampy

A late entry but clearly NSC Godwin's Law winner 2020

I'm not predicting holocausts or world war. I'm predicting that one day you will go to enact your employment rights and find they no longer exist.

You will go to an NHS A&E one day and have to decide whether you want the NHS priority lounge or "economy class".

God forbid, you could even be in the wrong place a the wrong time and find yourself looking at a death penalty. And then find you have no right to free legal representation. But I suppose you could appeal to the European court of......oh

Don't say you weren't warned.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I'm not predicting holocausts or world war. I'm predicting that one day you will go to enact your employment rights and find they no longer exist.

You will go to an NHS A&E one day and have to decide whether you want the NHS priority lounge or "economy class".

God forbid, you could even be in the wrong place a the wrong time and find yourself looking at a death penalty. And then find you have no right to free legal representation. But I suppose you could appeal to the European court of......oh

Don't say you weren't warned.

Still got a flair for the am-dram Clampy. Hope you managed to get through your No deal armageddon stockpile over Xmas.

 

[The Clamp]

Maybe we should make the support of hacking the phones of murdered kids punishable by the death sentence and then see what the Kelvin scumbag thinks ?

Here here.

 

[The Clamp]

Still got a flair for the am-dram Clampy. Hope you managed to get through your No deal armageddon stockpile over Xmas.

It's all good. Nobody is obliged to take my theory seriously. Why would you? Until your government no longer serves you.

 

[The Clamp]

In conclusion. This government needs watching more than any other I can recall and they are doing all they can to make it unlawful to do so. We do not owe them our trust.

TTFNTC

 

[clapham_gull]

Frothing at the mouth?? You are the one who is going to be disappointed - enjoy your misplaced righteousness. The death penalty will not be re-introduced in our lifetime.

Easily offended.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It's all good. Nobody is obliged to take my theory seriously. Why would you? Until your government no longer serves you.

I think you probably realise anyone who has any knowledge of your long NSC posting history would be incredibly foolish to take anything you say seriously. Ok entertainment though and Merry Xmas

 

[Chicken Run]

I'm not predicting holocausts or world war. I'm predicting that one day you will go to enact your employment rights and find they no longer exist.

You will go to an NHS A&E one day and have to decide whether you want the NHS priority lounge or "economy class".

God forbid, you could even be in the wrong place a the wrong time and find yourself looking at a death penalty. And then find you have no right to free legal representation. But I suppose you could appeal to the European court of......oh

Don't say you weren't warned.

I wouldn’t worry, in less than 5 years Sir Kier will be in No. 10 and all this will be just a distant memory [emoji106]