RAF Sergeant moved by Hospital in case his uniform ''offended '' people.

[Thunder Bolt]

I lived near Aldershot for 4 years and punch-ups between troops and civilians were not exactly a rarity. And yes, there is thankfully more respect for veterans now, you are right. But there have been so many cases of pandering to religious extremists for fear of being called a "wacist" that it surely goes beyond "want to be outraged." We assume that the person at the hospital acted in good faith, but this type of action is typical when in the environment that has been created

That's my whole point. I don't think there have been many cases, but the press leap on anything that may have a whiff of alleged pandering, which they think makes a story, that it gets blown out of all proportion. I refuse to buy newspapers now, & read several online news outlets to try to find out the truth, rather than believing everything I see.
Propaganda is rife now. As I said before, I don't even believe the BBC. I should also add, I belong to a veterans group on Facebook, and read more first hand views on this situation, including a friend of the nurse involved.
In the long run, people will believe what they want to believe.

 

[El Presidente]

My god man, the thought of it [emoji131] I curse the moron who got rid of old style nurses uniforms.

Probably a tofu eating sandal wearing Guardian reader Alf.

 

[El Presidente]

I read several online news outlets to try to find out the truth.

You are welcome to join NSP any time x

 

[alfredmizen]

Probably a tofu eating sandal wearing Guardian reader Alf.

Do I detect a note of sarcasm in your riposte ?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

lol

That adds a little bit of context to things, however I think you are missing the pertinent point.

Agreed that they was a bit of Sailor bashing as I am sure you will also agree that some of the servicemen did a bit of bashing themselves, but there was no context of a particular group of people engaging in that violence, other than them liking a bit of a punch up, here is different. !!

The authorities are being overly timid and accommodating to the views of a narrow group of religious zealots, thats key here and it cultivates an environment which capitulates to the demands of a few whilst disaffecting the majority that feel their own values are being undermined.

Each time it happens it is correct to challenge and hold to account those that implement that bad practice.

No, most sailors that I knew just wanted to get to a bar & drink it dry. I never heard of any matelot going out for a punch up.

 

[daveinprague]

lol

No, most sailors that I knew just wanted to get to a bar & drink it dry. I never heard of any matelot going out for a punch up.

Actually achieved drinking the whole of Roosevelt Roads Navy base dry when we went to PR on the old Ark. Americans were livid haha

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Actually achieved drinking the whole of Roosevelt Roads Navy base dry when we went to PR on the old Ark. Americans were livid haha

Surely, all they wanted was Coca Cola & ice cream?

 

[Nibble]

Oh come on Nibble, that isnt really relevant to this particular story, where a British Serviceman in uniform in a UK hospital was ushered away probably not for his own safety more to placate the perceived sensitivities of an undetermined Muslim that might appear in their A&E.

I think its an example of the insidious crawl of a timid response to those that demand some sort of censor and special consideration because of their religion.

Note I did qualify by saying it's not quite the same. I think this particular case highlights the confusion about what to do in such situations involving sensibilities of other religions. I'll make my stance clear: The soldier should not have been asked to move and the potentially "offended" parties should be told to go **** themselves. This was a mistake, it has been apologised for and more training should be given to hospital staff and less deference should be given to those who may potentially be offended.

 

[daveinprague]

Surely, all they wanted was Coca Cola & ice cream?

Pretty much all they were left with

 

[alfredmizen]

Note I did qualify by saying it's not quite the same. I think this particular case highlights the confusion about what to do in such situations involving sensibilities of other religions. I'll make my stance clear: The soldier should not have been asked to move and the potentially "offended" parties should be told to go **** themselves. This was a mistake, it has been apologised for and more training should be given to hospital staff and less deference should be given to those who may potentially be offended.

I think the gripe with most people isn't the lack of 'training ' it's the ****ing mindset that led to the incident in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I think the gripe with most people isn't the lack of 'training ' it's the ****ing mindset that led to the incident in the first place.

I agree.

 

[Soulman]

I think the gripe with most people isn't the lack of 'training ' it's the ****ing mindset that led to the incident in the first place.

Yes.

 

[Nibble]

I think the gripe with most people isn't the lack of 'training ' it's the ****ing mindset that led to the incident in the first place.

I take that point but I still think education in all areas is the key to overcoming that mindset.

 

[Nibble]

I think the gripe with most people isn't the lack of 'training ' it's the ****ing mindset that led to the incident in the first place.

If you mean the mindset that an attack has happened before and I'd like to ensure it doesn't happen again in the middle of a busy A&E (which was the mindset, rightly or wrongly) then it may be misguided but not entirely without merit.
Anyways you're all getting offended on someone else's behalf. For most this is a bit of a nonsensical situation that got resolved very quickly, for the more paranoid, hysterical right wing crowd it's the fall of civilisation and propaganda for their imagined cause.

 

[El Presidente]

My god man, the thought of it �� I curse the moron who got rid of old style nurses uniforms.

Fortunately I do have an extensive collection of 1970's films that features the old uniforms.

On a slightly serious note, the old uniforms were a complete bitch to clean apparently.

 

[alfredmizen]

Fortunately I do have an extensive collection of 1970's films that features the old uniforms.

On a slightly serious note, the old uniforms were a complete bitch to clean apparently.

Is that why the ones in Anne summers are made of plasticky type material ? Easy to wipe "viscous substances" off

 

[Creaky]

Note I did qualify by saying it's not quite the same. I think this particular case highlights the confusion about what to do in such situations involving sensibilities of other religions. I'll make my stance clear: The soldier should not have been asked to move and the potentially "offended" parties should be told to go **** themselves. This was a mistake, it has been apologised for and more training should be given to hospital staff and less deference should be given to those who may potentially be offended.

Where has it been reported that the previous altercation or the potential incident the staff were trying to prevent was anything to do with 'religion'?

 

[BigGully]

Where has it been reported that the previous altercation or the potential incident the staff were trying to prevent was anything to do with 'religion'?

I do not know but would seem logical to work backwards from this incident, otherwise why would you implement this course of action to try to deflect any potential offence if it wasnt relevant to the initial incident that they say they were trying to prevent ??

 

[Creaky]

I do not know but would seem logical to work backwards from this incident, otherwise why would you implement this course of action to try to deflect any potential offence if it wasnt relevant to the initial incident that they say they were trying to prevent ??

So we're guessing about who may be offended and why whilst at the same time criticising action taken by those who do know.

 

[BigGully]

So we're guessing about who may be offended and why whilst at the same time criticising action taken by those who do know.

No I have commented on the recent incident, you have for your own reasons tried to deflect criticism by querying whether the previous incident was religious based.

It would seem quite reasonable to accept the recent incident was decision driven by perceived religious sensitivities and therefore would reflect the previous one too, otherwise why implement any actions other than to randomly discriminate towards anyone for no particular reason.