[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[Hometownglory]

No, they want to get away with it. And they are.

Hardly, did you not see the arrests in London yesterday?

 

[birthofanorange]

The people of Liverpool did just that tonight by all accounts...

More of the same - across the country. I don't expect the authorities to deal with these ****s alone - we all have to chip-in.
I have always abhorred all kinds of violence, from any source, but these nasty little shits threaten my existence and I'll do whatever it takes to rid myself of them.

 

[birthofanorange]

Hardly, did you not see the arrests in London yesterday?

And? Has it made a difference?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Moderators doing a good job. This forum will not be worse off if some of the posters posting right wing Farage supporting nonsense decide it’s too ‘loony left’ for them. Their loss will be this forum’s gain.

If you want your views to mirror what was happening in 1930s Germany, then expect robust rigorous challenge. Don’t expect any place of moderate views to be a welcoming place for the politics of hate.

When a significant minority group is marginalised it is done with great risks involved. Terms like facist, racist, Neanderthal, moron, knucklehead, scum etc etc are banded around freely without much thought as to their accuracy or their effect. Whilst offering no support in anyway to the actions of those who rioted rather than remembering in Southport, or those who attempt to trash mosques, synagogues and police stations, it should be acknowledged that many people on the right (not far, or extreme) feel utterly disenfranchised. It is what led to Brexit, and it seems those guilty of the marginalisation still have their heads stuck in the sand.

There has been a major increase in the number of foreign nationals arriving on British shores in the last fifteen years, whether they are legitimate migrants, asylum seekers or whatever. When people who have felt uneasy about this (be it fear of change or economic reasons in areas like Lincolnshire) have voiced concerns they have been dismissed as poorly educated, ill informed or worse by those who feel morally superior. Even after the Brexit result there has been a constant diatribe of insulting and patronising comment towards those who voted for it, constantly blaming them for nearly all of the problems in the UK. So even when in an electoral majority many of the voters feel vilified and ignored by the so called educated classes and politicians.

Significant minority groups need yo be listened to, but as Brexit showed, this group are more than a ’minority’. They are an undeniable factor in British culture and politics. Forget Farage and Robinson, they are just opportunists jumping onto a passing bandwagon and then trying to take the reins. Serious politicians should be listening to the genuine concerns that a sizeable part of the electorate have. This does not mean granting every persons every wish, but more of gaining a feel of how to get the less reactive and inflammatory folk who feel disenfranchised back into the fold of mainstream politics.

Basically it would be foolish to continue to dismiss and ignore the feelings of a sizeable chunk of the population as it leads to what is happening now. Less inflammatory and dismissive language is required from all sides in an attempt to find common goals. This needs to happen in big politics, but also should start being practised by the community at large, especially online. Even those in positions of so called authority should perhaps ’moderate’ their tone.

 

[Berty23]

A court of law will be highly interested in the previous series of left hooks. Edited out in the post from the original shit stirrer online. The court of NSC jumped on the edited snipped as sacrosanct.

What went on before is irrelevant. I don’t think anyone said they did nothing (prove me wrong if they did). The discussion is about whether it was reasonable force to kick a tasered man in the head. It is not complicated. Stop creating a strawman.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Well the media always love to shove a label on something, whatever it is. I'm sure there are people in the marches who have no intention of causing trouble and who are not far right, but overall the media want a label, and far right seems appropriate on the whole.

I’m wondering what on earth is going through someone’s mind to be joining these marches and you’re not thinking it’s far right. Maybe they took the wrong bus? Is it a bit like the classic Mitchell & Webb sketch, “Hans, are we the baddies?”

 

[LamieRobertson]

lol. they're not dressed up to give directions and help old ladies.

Doh photo of police officer directing old lady removed….sorry Mods my error

 

[Berty23]

When a significant minority group is marginalised it is done with great risks involved. Terms like facist, racist, Neanderthal, moron, knucklehead, scum etc etc are banded around freely without much thought as to their accuracy or their effect. Whilst offering no support in anyway to the actions of those who rioted rather than remembering in Southport, or those who attempt to trash mosques, synagogues and police stations, it should be acknowledged that many people on the right (not far, or extreme) feel utterly disenfranchised. It is what led to Brexit, and it seems those guilty of the marginalisation still have their heads stuck in the sand.

There has been a major increase in the number of foreign nationals arriving on British shores in the last fifteen years, whether they are legitimate migrants, asylum seekers or whatever. When people who have felt uneasy about this (be it fear of change or economic reasons in areas like Lincolnshire) have voiced concerns they have been dismissed as poorly educated, ill informed or worse by those who feel morally superior. Even after the Brexit result there has been a constant diatribe of insulting and patronising comment towards those who voted for it, constantly blaming them for nearly all of the problems in the UK. So even when in an electoral majority many of the voters feel vilified and ignored by the so called educated classes and politicians.

Significant minority groups need yo be listened to, but as Brexit showed, this group are more than a ’minority’. They are an undeniable factor in British culture and politics. Forget Farage and Robinson, they are just opportunists jumping onto a passing bandwagon and then trying to take the reins. Serious politicians should be listening to the genuine concerns that a sizeable part of the electorate have. This does not mean granting every persons every wish, but more of gaining a feel of how to get the less reactive and inflammatory folk who feel disenfranchised back into the fold of mainstream politics.

Basically it would be foolish to continue to dismiss and ignore the feelings of a sizeable chunk of the population as it leads to what is happening now. Less inflammatory and dismissive language is required from all sides in an attempt to find common goals. This needs to happen in big politics, but also should start being practised by the community at large, especially online. Even those in positions of so called authority should perhaps ’moderate’ their tone.

Anyone who voted for Brexit but did not expect more immigration from outside the EU was not paying attention during the process, or simply did not understand what they weee voting for. The reduction in people from Europe was always going to lead more people from other countries because jobs need to be filled that British people can’t or won’t do.

It is remarkable that after 14 years of a government drifting further to the right that people feel what we really need is to be more right wing. Cuts to local services over the last decade and a half have consequences. Here we are.

I notice no engagement from the right on here about the fact these coked up idiots rioting are one of the big causes of knife crime they say they hate. Or let me guess, they get drugs from places which don’t cause problems in society.

Let’s all keep blaming someone else for our problems.

 

[birthofanorange]

When a significant minority group is marginalised it is done with great risks involved. Terms like facist, racist, Neanderthal, moron, knucklehead, scum etc etc are banded around freely without much thought as to their accuracy or their effect. Whilst offering no support in anyway to the actions of those who rioted rather than remembering in Southport, or those who attempt to trash mosques, synagogues and police stations, it should be acknowledged that many people on the right (not far, or extreme) feel utterly disenfranchised. It is what led to Brexit, and it seems those guilty of the marginalisation still have their heads stuck in the sand.

There has been a major increase in the number of foreign nationals arriving on British shores in the last fifteen years, whether they are legitimate migrants, asylum seekers or whatever. When people who have felt uneasy about this (be it fear of change or economic reasons in areas like Lincolnshire) have voiced concerns they have been dismissed as poorly educated, ill informed or worse by those who feel morally superior. Even after the Brexit result there has been a constant diatribe of insulting and patronising comment towards those who voted for it, constantly blaming them for nearly all of the problems in the UK. So even when in an electoral majority many of the voters feel vilified and ignored by the so called educated classes and politicians.

Significant minority groups need yo be listened to, but as Brexit showed, this group are more than a ’minority’. They are an undeniable factor in British culture and politics. Forget Farage and Robinson, they are just opportunists jumping onto a passing bandwagon and then trying to take the reins. Serious politicians should be listening to the genuine concerns that a sizeable part of the electorate have. This does not mean granting every persons every wish, but more of gaining a feel of how to get the less reactive and inflammatory folk who feel disenfranchised back into the fold of mainstream politics.

Basically it would be foolish to continue to dismiss and ignore the feelings of a sizeable chunk of the population as it leads to what is happening now. Less inflammatory and dismissive language is required from all sides in an attempt to find common goals. This needs to happen in big politics, but also should start being practised by the community at large, especially online. Even those in positions of so called authority should perhaps ’moderate’ their tone.

Bollocks. Stop being an apologist for their behaviour. They ARE scum, and their actions prove it.

 

[Triggaaar]

He had three warnings to get back. That’s what police dogs are trained to do.
Am I being whooshed?

Not by me.

The dog itself did what it was told. I disagree with the policeman who decided to set his dog on the protestor.

IMO the dog should be there in the case of emergency, or to hold the line and protect the police. Not to attack someone who, whilst being a knob, wasn't actually being violent.

 

[Hometownglory]

And? Has it made a difference?

I agree with your sentiment BUT how do you change the views of the ignorant and uneducated? These peoples views and anger won't go away by counter protesting, they need to be deradicalised. Easier said than done I admit.

 

[birthofanorange]

I agree with your sentiment BUT how do you change the views of the ignorant and uneducated? These peoples views and anger won't go away by counter protesting, they need to be deradicalised. Easier said than done I admit.

A difficult one to answer, but until one arises, this kind of behaviour needs to be stamped-out asap, before it becomes accepted as the norm.

 

[The Optimist]

This is the tricky part

If a certain group are committing crimes, you should be able to target that group more?

I think we are at the point where hurt feelings are the least of our worries.

You’re a 15 year old black kid living on a dodgy estate in London. You’re trying to keep your head down, stay out of trouble and do well in school. At least once a week / month (pick your timeframe) you’re stopped and searched by the police for no reason other than being a black kid from a dodgy estate. What sort of message does that send you about what authority and the establishment thinks of you? What affect does it have on you?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

When a significant minority group is marginalised it is done with great risks involved. Terms like facist, racist, Neanderthal, moron, knucklehead, scum etc etc are banded around freely without much thought as to their accuracy or their effect. Whilst offering no support in anyway to the actions of those who rioted rather than remembering in Southport, or those who attempt to trash mosques, synagogues and police stations, it should be acknowledged that many people on the right (not far, or extreme) feel utterly disenfranchised. It is what led to Brexit, and it seems those guilty of the marginalisation still have their heads stuck in the sand.

There has been a major increase in the number of foreign nationals arriving on British shores in the last fifteen years, whether they are legitimate migrants, asylum seekers or whatever. When people who have felt uneasy about this (be it fear of change or economic reasons in areas like Lincolnshire) have voiced concerns they have been dismissed as poorly educated, ill informed or worse by those who feel morally superior. Even after the Brexit result there has been a constant diatribe of insulting and patronising comment towards those who voted for it, constantly blaming them for nearly all of the problems in the UK. So even when in an electoral majority many of the voters feel vilified and ignored by the so called educated classes and politicians.

Significant minority groups need yo be listened to, but as Brexit showed, this group are more than a ’minority’. They are an undeniable factor in British culture and politics. Forget Farage and Robinson, they are just opportunists jumping onto a passing bandwagon and then trying to take the reins. Serious politicians should be listening to the genuine concerns that a sizeable part of the electorate have. This does not mean granting every persons every wish, but more of gaining a feel of how to get the less reactive and inflammatory folk who feel disenfranchised back into the fold of mainstream politics.

Basically it would be foolish to continue to dismiss and ignore the feelings of a sizeable chunk of the population as it leads to what is happening now. Less inflammatory and dismissive language is required from all sides in an attempt to find common goals. This needs to happen in big politics, but also should start being practised by the community at large, especially online. Even those in positions of so called authority should perhaps ’moderate’ their tone.

Sorry but I don't feel inclined to be nice to racists, and their poor hurty feelings.

 

[Pevenseagull]

The same for us at the Royal Sussex, a united nations of angels.

I had to pop up to King's today for some tests and to chat about my health and participation in some new medical trials.

Lovely folk.

However the liver specialist told me I should probably think about drinking less alcohol. I reckon he might have been a muslim, or at least be working with one.

It's Sharia medicine up there, they're taken over.

They don't understand the working class white man and are trying to destroy our heritage with kind, sensible suggestions about moderation.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not by me.

The dog itself did what it was told. I disagree with the policeman who decided to set his dog on the protestor.

IMO the dog should be there in the case of emergency, or to hold the line and protect the police. Not to attack someone who, whilst being a knob, wasn't actually being violent.

Read the newspaper report from his court appearance today in post 282.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Anyone who voted for Brexit but did not expect more immigration from outside the EU was not paying attention during the process, or simply did not understand what they weee voting for. The reduction in people from Europe was always going to lead more people from other countries because jobs need to be filled that British people can’t or won’t do.

It is remarkable that after 14 years of a government drifting further to the right that people feel what we really need is to be more right wing. Cuts to local services over the last decade and a half have consequences. Here we are.

I notice no engagement from the right on here about the fact these coked up idiots rioting are one of the big causes of knife crime they say they hate. Or let me guess, they get drugs from places which don’t cause problems in society.

Let’s all keep blaming someone else for our problems.

You have a point but so does Woody. This has been building up for years and sadly is now starting to erupt. Personally I do think many of that crowd are simpletons etc but there is a large number of people who are sympathetic throughout society. Historically any large group of immigrants, the largest here being Muslims, have always faced opposition of varying degrees. It's all very predictable, in good times people tend to ignore their nasty prejudices as for the most, things are going swimmingly, but when pressure is on and the stars align, the most disaffected and gullible are mischievously manipulated by those who want to stir up trouble and hatred for their own ends or beliefs. The seeds were sown and ready to burst into life. They are now germinating. My hope is that somehow we can put an end to this without it spreading any more.

 

[Triggaaar]

When a significant minority group is marginalised it is done with great risks involved. Terms like facist, racist, Neanderthal, moron, knucklehead, scum etc etc are banded around freely without much thought as to their accuracy or their effect. Whilst offering no support in anyway to the actions of those who rioted rather than remembering in Southport, or those who attempt to trash mosques, synagogues and police stations, it should be acknowledged that many people on the right (not far, or extreme) feel utterly disenfranchised. It is what led to Brexit, and it seems those guilty of the marginalisation still have their heads stuck in the sand.

I don't disagree with your general point there.

There has been a major increase in the number of foreign nationals arriving on British shores in the last fifteen years, whether they are legitimate migrants, asylum seekers or whatever. When people who have felt uneasy about this (be it fear of change or economic reasons in areas like Lincolnshire) have voiced concerns they have been dismissed as poorly educated, ill informed or worse by those who feel morally superior.

I'm don't think that's true. Labour are hardly the far right or poorly educated, but they are wanting to stop boatloads of illegal immigrants arriving. It's not controversial to want to stop the boats. The reaction that you're referring to is simply when people make false statements, claiming that all the problems in this country are being caused by foreigners etc.

Even after the Brexit result there has been a constant diatribe of insulting and patronising comment towards those who voted for it, constantly blaming them for nearly all of the problems in the UK. So even when in an electoral majority many of the voters feel vilified and ignored by the so called educated classes and politicians.

Significant minority groups need yo be listened to, but as Brexit showed, this group are more than a ’minority’. They are an undeniable factor in British culture and politics. Forget Farage and Robinson, they are just opportunists jumping onto a passing bandwagon and then trying to take the reins. Serious politicians should be listening to the genuine concerns that a sizeable part of the electorate have. This does not mean granting every persons every wish, but more of gaining a feel of how to get the less reactive and inflammatory folk who feel disenfranchised back into the fold of mainstream politics.

I don't disagree with you there either.

 

[Weststander]

What went on before is irrelevant. I don’t think anyone said they did nothing (prove me wrong if they did). The discussion is about whether it was reasonable force to kick a tasered man in the head. It is not complicated. Stop creating a

In legal proceedings what went before, extreme violence on repeat, will be very relevant. The police aren’t emotionless punchbags. In the moment one reacted with violence back.

The virtue signallers and police haters (one admits that he his) all disappeared when the full story emerged. Turns out the race card was baloney too.

If a copper kicked a rioting fascist who’d been part of a family smashing cowards punches into the skull of a copper, there would not have been a mass nsc pile on.

 

[birthofanorange]

Sorry but I don't feel inclined to be nice to racists, and their poor hurty feelings.

Indeed, and let's not forget that a hell of a lot of them are filling their boots simply because they love a bit of aggro and looting. Pond life.