Proms. Last night.

[Cheshire Cat]

Can somebody move this thread the the Bonkers Pit (or whatever its called)?

 

[Springal]

http://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1298290508574396416

State of this lot

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It's quite interesting to see which posters on this thread have actually used the term 'Karen'. Lots of posters who are upset by this seemingly insulting term using it, but no posters actually having used it as an insult. All a bit snowflake really

And, as pointed out numerous times before, the use of the term 'Gammon' originates in Nicholas Nickleby in 1838.

The time had been, when this burst of enthusiasm would have been cheered to the very echo; but now, the deputation received it with chilling coldness. The general impression seemed to be, that as an explanation of Mr. Gregsbury’s political conduct, it did not enter quite enough into detail; and one gentleman in the rear did not scruple to remark aloud, that, for his purpose, it savoured rather too much of a 'gammon' tendency.

The meaning of that term—gammon,' said Mr. Gregsbury, 'is unknown to me. If it means that I grow a little too fervid, or perhaps even hyperbolical, in extolling my native land, I admit the full justice of the remark. I am proud of this free and happy country. My form dilates, my eye glistens, my breast heaves, my heart swells, my bosom burns, when I call to mind her greatness and her glory.

A reference to someone who uses faux nationalism to try to bluster their way around their complete inability to understand detail, particularly in relation to politics.

But, I'll let you get back to being outraged

As well you know, but seem to avoid, it's HOW a term is used. If it's used as an insult then clearly it's an insult. I'd suggest that anyone that uses the term 'gammon' on here has a challenged intellect. Not because I'm offended but more because they are using it as they don't have the intelligence to properly debate.

As for trying to make yourself look all clever by quoting Dickens - I'll remind you that terms change their meaning over time. Who in the early 20th century would have ever thought 'gay' meant anything other than happy ? Or indeed that the name of the dog in the Dambusters would be so offensive now ? Agatha Christie must be really kicking herself about one of her novels.

Nope, anyone using the word gammon, or Karen, or soy, or snowflake to describe anyone else in this day and age is frankly just completely stupid. Now remind me, would I be able to find a thread where you've used any of these terms ?

 

[BBassic]

I don't particularly care about either side of this argument but I do find it interesting that Boris was largely silent during the exam chaos, something with potentially far-reaching consequences, yet sees fit to blab his mouth about some music on the telly.

Smoke and mirrors, that's all it is.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Seem to be quite a few people posting on the wrong thread here. Maybe NSC could repurpose “gammon” to mean people who can’t read thread titles


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[Chicken Run]

Seem to be quite a few people posting on the wrong thread here. Maybe NSC could repurpose “gammon” to mean people who can’t read thread titles


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I wish NSC could repurpose you, you could be IC of the shit stirring dept.

 

[The Lego Stand]

It's not an historical document its a propaganda song. We're not a great nation, we never have been. How many children live in poverty, how many food banks do we have open? How many people of colour have been mistreated through the ages in this country? How have we used power on other countries both near and far?

We certainly are better then many countries but we ain't great by any chalk, that's propaganda and a myopic view of facts.

In every country in the world there will be children in poverty and food banks, doesn't make it right but you are never going to have a perfect world. How many countries in world history cam claim to have completely unblemished histories? Not many I imagine. How come it's only now it's seen as 'propaganda' ? Have you expressed that view on here before?

 

[sydney]

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so we have the deadly pandemic
brexit
the american election
the relentless subterfuge of communist interests in wester media and politics

it really is no wonder everyone is barking mad.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Oh come on Watford. It's a racial pejorative anyway you look at it. Downplaying it and comparing the use to Dickensian times is laughable. If people hear the word being used today they don't associated it with Morris dancers and frilly cuffs, they associate it with nasty racist whites who need 'educating'. I'm not outraged, i'm just trying to understand how a racial slur is fine if it's used against one particular race, like it's justified? Do you really think it's helpful? Don't you think that it may fuel ignorant people to dispense their own 'justice'? Just wondering?

I'm simply explaining why Gammon as an insult has re-appeared in recent times and it's historical basis as an insult.

From Dickens 'A reference to someone who uses faux nationalism to try to bluster their way around their complete inability to understand detail, particularly in relation to politics'. I would suggest it is quite apt for the political position in the UK for the last few years and without any reference to race whatsoever.

Unless you can point out a racial slur that I can't see

 

[WATFORD zero]

As well you know, but seem to avoid, it's HOW a term is used. If it's used as an insult then clearly it's an insult. I'd suggest that anyone that uses the term 'gammon' on here has a challenged intellect. Not because I'm offended but more because they are using it as they don't have the intelligence to properly debate.

As for trying to make yourself look all clever by quoting Dickens - I'll remind you that terms change their meaning over time. Who in the early 20th century would have ever thought 'gay' meant anything other than happy ? Or indeed that the name of the dog in the Dambusters would be so offensive now ? Agatha Christie must be really kicking herself about one of her novels.

Nope, anyone using the word gammon, or Karen, or soy, or snowflake to describe anyone else in this day and age is frankly just completely stupid. Now remind me, would I be able to find a thread where you've used any of these terms ?

Of course Gammon was an insult, aimed at someone who uses faux nationalism to try to bluster their way around their complete inability to understand detail, particularly in relation to politics. It hasn't changed it's meaning at all, and you may be able to spot the reason for it's re-emergence in the UK in recent times as an insult

But we have been here before haven't we ? 'The lady doth protest too much, methinks'

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?343854-The-Brexit-Thread&p=9221830&viewfull=1#post9221830

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I presume he's referring to Jamie Barton, who sang Rule Britannia and waved a rainbow flag at the end.

TBF that's political, Why set agendas just wave the union flag not look at me I'm Gay
Regards
DF

 

[Bob'n'weave]

I'm simply explaining why Gammon as an insult has re-appeared in recent times and it's historical basis as an insult.

From Dickens 'A reference to someone who uses faux nationalism to try to bluster their way around their complete inability to understand detail, particularly in relation to politics'. I would suggest it is quite apt for the political position in the UK for the last few years and without any reference to race whatsoever.

Unless you can point out a racial slur that I can't see

Er, OK.

You stick with your Dickens routine and the rest of us will crack on with 2020.





Just thought I'd add an update for your edification.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...hite-men-middle-age-immigration-a8352141.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53588201

Times have changed my dear sir. Please do keep up at the back.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Er, OK.

You stick with your Dickens routine and the rest of us will crack on with 2020.

If you can't point out any racial element, then I'll leave you to crack on

 

[Baker lite]

Just stop it....STOP IT.
https://twitter.com/spoofed_uk/status/1298547456318287873?s=21


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[rogersix]

Jerusalem, now there's a quandary.

For years regarded as a nationalistic anthem, then Billy Bragg had a bash at it. I recall, in the sleeve notes I believe, him claiming it to be political and 'for the masses'.

Who knows?

william blake

 

[Is it PotG?]

william blake

Ta, I often wondered.

 

[Baker lite]

Ta, I often wondered.

Written in Sussex.


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[The Clamp]

Written in Felpham and inspired by the view of the trundle from next to the Earl of March pub in Lavant (he was visiting a lady friend). He was also tried for sedition at Chichester Crown Court. Definitely revolutionary. It's a poem, part of a larger work, never meant to be a hymn.

Thank you for the background, love it!

 

[Bakero]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/the-gammons-guide-to-cultural-vandalism-20200826199806 I don't tend to go in for calling people gammons but this piece seemed worth sharing