[Football] Premier League / Football League attempts to finish the season

[Green Cross Code Man]

Sorry mate. Finishing the Championship thread.

I'm just a bit unobservant as I was juggling setting up 3 VR headsets and browsing NSC. Cheers!

 

[darkwolf666]

To be fair, most of us accept the principle of putting money ahead of health considerations to some degree. If any of us were offered a good sized bonus for doing a job 100 miles from home for a week or two, there is every chance that we would take the health risk of driving a bit further for the sake of the money.

Of course, if the bonus is 50p and the distance is 1,000 miles, we wouldn't. It's a matter of balancing the risk and the reward. But we none of us work on the basis that we will take no risk whatsoever.

If I was driving my car 100 miles with 3 strangers who may or may not have or have come into contact with Covid-19, then I might think twice about it... Now **** off back to the Burnley board

 

[Nixonator]

Seems forced and ill-advised.

 

[smiler]

If you can now play tennis as singles but not doubles due to social distancing how can you justify 25 people running around a football pitch?

 

[Jim in the West]

To be fair, most of us accept the principle of putting money ahead of health considerations to some degree. If any of us were offered a good sized bonus for doing a job 100 miles from home for a week or two, there is every chance that we would take the health risk of driving a bit further for the sake of the money.

Of course, if the bonus is 50p and the distance is 1,000 miles, we wouldn't. It's a matter of balancing the risk and the reward. But we none of us work on the basis that we will take no risk whatsoever.

The trouble is, the Covid-19 risk for footballers is greater than for pretty much any other profession. And it's not only the short-term risk of contracting the illness - it's the fact that Covid-19 attacks the lungs, which are critical to a footballer. I've seen quite a few articles discussing the long-term impact of Covid-19 on a person's lungs, and they highlight the reduced lung capacity and the length of time it could take to get back to anywhere near prior fitness levels.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

The trouble is, the Covid-19 risk for footballers is greater than for pretty much any other profession. And it's not only the short-term risk of contracting the illness - it's the fact that Covid-19 attacks the lungs, which are critical to a footballer. I've seen quite a few articles discussing the long-term impact of Covid-19 on a person's lungs, and they highlight the reduced lung capacity and the length of time it could take to get back to anywhere near prior fitness levels.

That, my old fruit, is a very important point. I heard the Scottish Medical Officer on the Political Party podcast describing the issues that we can expect from those with lungs damaged by the virus. Once you are out of danger the problems are not necessarily over. I would not want to take the risk.

 

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Posted at 7:557:55
We have all seen those videos of people who have survived being in ICU, being wheeled out to applause from all the medical staff who have attended them. Have you noticed that the best the patient can manage, is a weak smile and a limp wave.

I wish those very few on here, who are forever promoting this ludicrous suggestion of re-starting football for their benefit, would take note of how crippling this disease can be if you have to be ventilated on a machine and how long it takes to recover. The view of these very few wanting to satisfy their selfish lives is quite disgusting.


Unfortunately I couldn't cut and paste the BBC short video on their News website. If anyone cares to see it it was posted at 8.09 this morning and gives an insight to reciovery after being ventilated. This has been the case for the young as well as the elderly. .

 

[dsr-burnley]

That, my old fruit, is a very important point. I heard the Scottish Medical Officer on the Political Party podcast describing the issues that we can expect from those with lungs damaged by the virus. Once you are out of danger the problems are not necessarily over. I would not want to take the risk.

I don't think anyone is saying that footballers should take the risk. Just like the people in supermarkets and garden centres, they can decide not to play and to go on furlough instead. The scheme has been extended to October, and even if it wasn't, I would have thought the clubs could afford to pay them the £2k per month.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I don't think anyone is saying that footballers should take the risk. Just like the people in supermarkets and garden centres, they can decide not to play and to go on furlough instead. The scheme has been extended to October, and even if it wasn't, I would have thought the clubs could afford to pay them the £2k per month.

You keep saying this, but there is nothing in their contracts that will enable it to happen. It is too late. The players union will defend its members contracts to the hilt and it is no-one’s fault other than the owners for issuing these contracts as a part of their stay in the PL at all costs mentality.

 

[cjd]

I don't think anyone is saying that footballers should take the risk. Just like the people in supermarkets and garden centres, they can decide not to play and to go on furlough instead. The scheme has been extended to October, and even if it wasn't, I would have thought the clubs could afford to pay them the £2k per month.

May I strongly suggest you look at the BBC news "Live" website and watch the video posted at 8.09 this morning concerning the recovery period.

May I also remind you that grden centre workers and supermarket workers will all be wearing masks and forms of protection.

May I further remind you of the poor woman who was spat upon on the Underground and has now died.

I.e. The closer the contact the far far higher is the likelihood that you will become infected with this virus.

You are one of the 'few' on this thread that I referred to as disgusting and selfish in my previous post.

 

[beorhthelm]

No, I highlighted money over health in the name of entertainment.

may like to consider the existential threat to many clubs.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I don't think anyone is saying that footballers should take the risk. Just like the people in supermarkets and garden centres, they can decide not to play and to go on furlough instead. The scheme has been extended to October, and even if it wasn't, I would have thought the clubs could afford to pay them the £2k per month.

Happy to be corrected, but where have you seen any suggestion that an individual employee of a business that is to restart (in any sector) can choose to opt out, and ‘go on furlough’? I’d be VERY interested to see this, please.

 

[Giraffe]

Players should refuse to play. Yes they are loaded but their health and the health of their family is more important than money.

Every person in this country is operating under the same rules.

If you can't work from home and have to work, that work must be done under social distancing rules. Footballers can't do this for obvious reasons, and therefore they should not work. It is that simple for me.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Happy to be corrected, but where have you seen any suggestion that an individual employee of a business that is to restart (in any sector) can choose to opt out, and ‘go on furlough’? I’d be VERY interested to see this, please.

So would my other half. She would be back home like a shot.

 

[1066familyman]

Happy to be corrected, but where have you seen any suggestion that an individual employee of a business that is to restart (in any sector) can choose to opt out, and ‘go on furlough’? I’d be VERY interested to see this, please.

On PM on Radio 4 the other day they had a Union rep and someone from the CBI in to answer listeners questions. I seem to remember that question was asked on there about requesting furlough, and the response was that, yes you can.

Edit: It was on yesterday's episode. And it was the Director General of British Chamber of Commerce (not CBI rep) and Deputy General Secretary of TUC taking the questions.

 

[dsr-burnley]

You keep saying this, but there is nothing in their contracts that will enable it to happen. It is too late. The players union will defend its members contracts to the hilt and it is no-one’s fault other than the owners for issuing these contracts as a part of their stay in the PL at all costs mentality.

There's more than the legal aspect to paying a contract. A club may be legally required to pay its players £80m over the season, but if the club hasn't any money, the players won't get paid. You can't get water out of an empty bucket.

 

[southstandandy]

You keep saying this, but there is nothing in their contracts that will enable it to happen. It is too late. The players union will defend its members contracts to the hilt and it is no-one’s fault other than the owners for issuing these contracts as a part of their stay in the PL at all costs mentality.

Sadly this is whats wrong (in my view) with football at the top end today where the players have all the power. Most business aim to keep wages somewhere between 15 to 30% of their turnover in order to be sustainable. I know that the players are the clubs main assets but forking out in some cases anything from 50% to 80% of a clubs turnover on player wages will always be hugely risky, although fair to say hardly anyone foresaw this pandemic coming.

In theory with the Premier League awash with cash most clubs should have been in a position better than many businesses of riding out a turbulent few months or even a whole year but putting most of your eggs into one basket is always a major risk, reflected upon by many Chairman topping up the club's coffers as in our case with incredibly generous support from Tony Bloom.

Will be very interesting going foward to see if in the future clubs try to start trying to operate on a more sustainable level and this goes right across the board.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

There's more than the legal aspect to paying a contract. A club may be legally required to pay its players £80m over the season, but if the club hasn't any money, the players won't get paid. You can't get water out of an empty bucket.

I’m afraid that’s not how contract law works. If the club does not pay then it will end up in court and potentially will be forced out of business. Your solution has the same outcome as the club Armageddon you keep warning about.

 

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Sadly this is whats wrong (in my view) with football at the top end today where the players have all the power. Most business aim to keep wages somewhere between 15 to 30% of their turnover in order to be sustainable. I know that the players are the clubs main assets but forking out in some cases anything from 50% to 80% of a clubs turnover on player wages will always be hugely risky, although fair to say hardly anyone foresaw this pandemic coming.

In theory with the Premier League awash with cash most clubs should have been in a position better than many businesses of riding out a turbulent few months or even a whole year but putting most of your eggs into one basket is always a major risk, reflected upon by many Chairman topping up the club's coffers as in our case with incredibly generous support from Tony Bloom.

Will be very interesting going foward to see if in the future clubs try to start trying to operate on a more sustainable level and this goes right across the board.

To be honest, why shouldn't the players have the final say. They are in fact the product we all go and watch. Other businesses will have other overheads, eg production costs and will also have to provide returns for shareholders. The money is there because the product is in demand and the broadcasters pay a hefty price for it. But they only pay that because their subscribers are willing to pay the broadcasters.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I’m afraid that’s not how contract law works. If the club does not pay then it will end up in court and potentially will be forced out of business. Your solution has the same outcome as the club Armageddon you keep warning about.

Yes, exactly. If the players sue their employer for money they haven't got, the employer goes out of business and the players don't get their money. A man with no money cannot pay his debts.