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Poyet is to blame for the clubs current position
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JCL - the new kid in town
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- Aug 23, 2011
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You can't compare the budgets as straightforward as you have in my opinion. Poyet spent more money however he was starting from a league 1 winning team, good base but quality required. Oscar had a team that had just lost in the championship playoffs so a higher starting point and therefore less money required to be put in.
Pretty pink fairy
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All about contacts and poyet has plenty of those , like he rightly said the club will not see the calibre of players he put together under his management , tough for some to face up to but clearly the truth 
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DR
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Icy Gull
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I get what you are saying but Poyet was able to build HIS team from scratch and was not forced to sell any players as he did it. Oscar chose to leave but Sami has had to rebuild the team having lost all the best players and has not been backed in the same way Poyet was, again imo.
Poyet had it better than any manager since Mullery and did a good job but I do not believe Oscar and Sami have had the same backing from TB, so it is unfair to expect them to seamlessly take us forward.
portslade seagull
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All about contacts and poyet has plenty of those , like he rightly said the club will not see the calibre of players he put together under his management , tough for some to face up to but clearly the truth
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DR
This was the one thing Poyet excelled in .... Hyppia might but the money is not there to back him hence the cheaper options signed unlike Poyet who seemed to enjoy a open cheque book in his 1st season in the championship
Pretty pink fairy
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But the club have recouped money in the sale of players that cost less than what they were sold for
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DR
Hyppia has spent £2m on Baldock, £1m on Stockdale and £500k on COG, as well as getting Bennett, Gardner and Texiera on loan.
Gus signed CMS for £2.5m, £1m for Buckley and £500k on Hoskins. I don't see much difference.
portslade seagull
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But the club have recouped money in the sale of players that cost less than what they were sold for
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DR
Maybe they don't trust Hyppia's judgement to be as good
portslade seagull
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CMS - £3.25m and ..... Baldock just over £1m
Pretty pink fairy
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CMS £2.5million rising to £3.25million, and the extra payments have not had to be made.
portslade seagull
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If it was based on his potential goal scoring then maybe not
There's a promotion clause too!
portslade seagull
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Not with us then
I think you could be right!
Baaaald
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Yeah thanks brains I was kind of taking that for granted.
Icy Gull
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Gus had a settled team that he added to, Sami has had to rebuild a team that had the heart ripped out of it. Big difference imo and a massively more difficult job.
Have we replaced the sold and released players with players of a similar or better quality? Up front, not a chance. Jury is out on the midfield and defence.
kevo
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Absolute rot. The figures show we were in the bottom half of the table in the Championship in terms of budget for that season, yet we finished 4th and probably deserved to be promoted. He overachieved, but the club didn't want to meet his ambitions - hence his 'hit the ceiling' speech - a situation Oscar also clearly faced.
Gus had a team featuring Casper, Painter, Dicker and Sparrow, with the likes of Vincelot on the bench.
Seagull over Canaryland
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Yes, we should have been promoted under Gus, we had the momentum, there were so many positives around the club at that time, we were riding the euphoria of the Lge 1 win, the opening of the Amex, made some epic signings and were 'the' form team over the final two months of that season. Despite this we also signed Ulloa and were supposedly interested in VvD, so continued to back Gus while not breaking the bank. Yet Gus allowed the 'ceiling' issue to distract him at the most critical moment. So clearly Gus was already very aware of the budget constraints he was under. Gus wanted to be released from his contract in March but Tony rightly insisted that he honour it to the end of the season. Gus should have ensured that both he and his team gave 110% in those play offs. Promotion and that Prem Lge windfall would surely have allowed Tony to significantly loosen the purse strings and give Gus substantially more funds to play with.
However Gus conspicuously failed, which was grossly unprofessional, but hey ho, that's not unusual in football. I recall feeling sick that it was probably our best chance of promotion. Furthermore Gus turned the heads of key players, which impacted on his successor's reign, so 'yes' Gus is largely responsible for our current position. If I were Tony Bloom I would feel badly betrayed.
Oscar then took on the role, knowing the budget constraints after Gus's public 'ceiling' grievances and also had to rebuild morale with an injury hit squad - plus players whose heads were elsewhere.
Both Gus and Oscar knew that FFP was on the horizon so had to make the most of the resources they were given, while they could. Oscar did well to get us to the play offs again but we were unlucky with injuries plus a shade short in terms of depth and quality in the squad.
FFP is why Sami now has the most difficult challenge. Tony hasn't exactly failed to back him either - however we need a bigger bang for fewer bucks, there is no room for errors in the transfer market. We are up against even more clubs enjoying parachute payments. Getting to (and beyond) the play offs this season is not impossible, but would be a hell of an achievement.